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    Default REPAYMENT ATTORNEY HELP

    I have some questions regarding repayments. I have read everything I could find on this site. Mostly I'd like a brief consultation with an attorney to help with details which could mean a larger repayment from Flag. They tried to charge me a percentage fee called an administrative fee, which I denied.
    I got that removed.
    Is it LRH policy to get repayments of those monies left in an incomplete intensive ?
    Can the course I barely started here, paid with Flag account money, be
    returned and credited to the Flag account ?

    Please help if you know policy (I don't have the Green Vols. now) and/or have similar experiences.

    I have made fast progress on my repayment and have had some interesting experiences. When the check (well into 5 figures) is in hand, I will tell the whole story in detail.

    I've been in for too long, and seeing outnesses all along, I have been quite the fool. I have much to make up for on 4 dynamics.
    My whole story will be told later.
    The experience of leaving has fundamentally keyed me out due to really following the chain of my Knowingness and Code-of-Honor Integrity,
    although sometimes I get angry!

    Also other types of org donations will be gone for later as I accumulate evidence of fraud for those donations.

    More later.
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    Blue Spirit!

    May your repayment fly to you in full, and you get to share the full story with us, soon!

    Oh and btw: just to let you know: this board is gonna not work starting in a few hours, (I think) for a day or so!
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    Thank you Wisened One for your good wishes.
    It WILL happen because I have the theta to do it and I'm at 20,22, & 30 on the tone scale as far as this game is concerned.

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    Didn't Jason Beghe get a full refund of almost one million dollars, of all the money he ever gave the cult?

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    I don't remember if he in fact did or not, but I sure hope so!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie View Post
    Didn't Jason Beghe get a full refund of almost one million dollars, of all the money he ever gave the cult?

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    You really need dox for something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Spirit View Post
    Is it LRH policy to get repayments of those monies left in an incomplete intensive ?
    Can the course I barely started here, paid with Flag account money, be
    returned and credited to the Flag account ?
    LRH policy says nothing on the subject. But it makes sense to pro-rate the amounts in question. It should even make sense to the people there.

    If you used 2 1/2 hours of a 12 1/2 hour intensive, then you should get back 80% of what you paid for it. Similarly, if you did 10% of a checksheet, it is reasonable to get back 90% of the amount paid for the course. Assuming you agree with their figures on the auditing hours, that one is easy enough. The checksheet is a bit harder, depending on the course, but unless they are being completely insane and you are willing to bend a bit, you should be able to reach an agreement. Depending on the course, you can't always go by number of pages of checksheet done compared to the total, but sometimes you can. Whoops! You didn't ask that question. The local org would be more than happy to paper transfer the unused part - or even all - of the course back to Flag as then they wouldn't have to pay you cash. . Whether Flag would accept it or not is a different matter, but it would make sense to me and an attorney letter might speed it along if they're being stupid about it.

    I've worked in Treasury, as an FBO, and as a course sup, years in each, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dulloldfart View Post
    LRH policy says nothing on the subject. But it makes sense to pro-rate the amounts in question. It should even make sense to the people there.

    If you used 2 1/2 hours of a 12 1/2 hour intensive, then you should get back 80% of what you paid for it. Similarly, if you did 10% of a checksheet, it is reasonable to get back 90% of the amount paid for the course. Assuming you agree with their figures on the auditing hours, that one is easy enough. The checksheet is a bit harder, depending on the course, but unless they are being completely insane and you are willing to bend a bit, you should be able to reach an agreement. Depending on the course, you can't always go by number of pages of checksheet done compared to the total, but sometimes you can. Whoops! You didn't ask that question. The local org would be more than happy to paper transfer the unused part - or even all - of the course back to Flag as then they wouldn't have to pay you cash. . Whether Flag would accept it or not is a different matter, but it would make sense to me and an attorney letter might speed it along if they're being stupid about it.

    I've worked in Treasury, as an FBO, and as a course sup, years in each, by the way.

    Paul
    Welcome Blue Spirit!

    Paul has it right here, we had no trouble claiming the unused portion of an intensive.

    My wife just read this over my shoulder and said; "god, they must be getting a lot of refunds at the moment"

    I will send you a PM about the IAS and SP.
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    Thank you Kevin.
    Who is the correct staff terminal to email to count up my unused hours in the folder from two orgs ?
    C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Spirit View Post
    Thank you Kevin.
    Who is the correct staff terminal to email to count up my unused hours in the folder from two orgs ?
    C.
    The treas sec is your first port of call for a repayment. Be warned though,it is not a 'stat' of his, in fact completing your repayment affects his stats negatively so he will drag his feet on it, I found that they will give you your money back when you force them to do it, that is via threats of media, consumer affairs (in Australia) and legal.

    As soon as you become threatening in any way the matter goes to OSA who, for the most part try to placate you while the tres sec drags his feet, OSA used every deceptive stalling tactic known to man or beast on our cycle, even the old 'it's in the mail'. There is a simple way to tell if the OSA terminal is lying, if you hear any sound coming out of their mouths you can be quite assured that he is in the process of trying to deceive you.

    Eventually they will pay you and you won't need a attorney in most cases.
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