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    Although I've posted here for awhile, I've never posted an introduction. I've never followed the non-existence formula. I'm not going to do that now. But I will post some experiences, some thoughts. Most of the following has been copied from bits and pieces of my posts in other threads. I thought I should post it in one place, here.

    I was involved in Scientology, very, very off and on for a period of 20 or 25 years.

    I'm embarrassed to admit that.

    I kept hoping that the Church could be reformed, saved. That the good could be used without the bad. That the cancers of delusion, greed and paranoia could be excised.

    Hell, talking about delusions of grandeur , I tried to "reform" and "save" the Church myself. LOL You have no idea.

    I've followed and observed Scientology for a significantly longer period of time. I've been around online, at first in various guises, since the heyday of ARS (the usenet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology). At times, I've counted some of the OCs (original critics) as my friends.

    As I've said elsewhere, there is some very basic "tech" that I think has value -- e.g., the comm course, the TRs (properly understood), the ARC triangle, the KRC triangle, the concept of "Clear" as a mental model akin to, but certainly different than, the Id, Ego and Superego. The concept of "confront" as Ron defined it. The e-meter "works." The use of the e-meter to facilitate this-lifetime confront and aberactive therapy, as opposed to implanting "past lifetime" bullshit or extracting blackmail material.

    That is, sadly, the bait of the trap. If the bait was all putrid crap, the trap wouldn't be effective.

    I left the Church because I became ashamed of myself. Not merely embarrassed, but ashamed. With good reason.

    For example (I've told the story elsewhere), there was an event at the Los Angeles Music Center. (For some reason the event was not at the Shrine that year.) I was approached by a very nice man and his wife who were not Scientologists but who were there for another event. (There are three different venues at the Music Center.) Turns out the guy was a psychiatrist. He asked me if I was a Scientologist. I said that I was. He told me he was a psychiatrist, and asked whether I thought he was evil. Did I really think it was his intention to hurt people, to enslave them? Did Scientology really teach that Scientology was the source of all evil in the world? The source and cause of Nazism? Of Communism?

    What could I say? I'm fairly intelligent and fairly well-educated. I knew better. I knew that the COS ranting about "psychs" was ignorant, paranoid self-serving bullshit. So I said nothing.

    But I stayed in or came back.

    I had a good friend who was gay. I've never known a better human being. Then I read DMSMH and Science of Survival, and particularly the parts about how gays are 1.1 covertly hostile perverts. I was appalled. But I made the mistake of discussing it with my friend. My friend was appalled. But I stayed in. My friend never thought about me the same way again. With good reason.

    Another story I've told elsewhere. I was doing volunteer, unpaid Dianetic auditing at the Org. My PC was winning, making progress. She really liked it. Of course the pressure and push came to switch her to professional, paid and indeed expensive Scientology metered auditing. The push included telling her how it was a religious practice, how wonderful and effective it was. How it was, in fact, necessary for her spiritual progress. Until it turned out she was an illegal PC. How, precisely, do you explain that? Something like -- Yes we are a caring and loving Church, and a religion, and auditing is a religious practice, and indeed your only hope for spiritual growth and development, but because through no fault of your own you saw a licensed medical doctor and took legal, prescribed psychiatric medication, we are going to label you an "illegal pc," and deny you auditing -- or force you to go through never-ending, humiliating, degrading petition proceedings.

    Yeah, that works.

    But I stayed in or came back. I thought things could be made better.

    Another story I recently told. An elderly, very lonely widow came in. She owned her own home and had a modest retirement. I saw the vultures (reges and FSMs) circling. I knew, from past experiences, stories, and embarrassingly my own personal experience, that this was not going to end well. That they would take every penny they could get out of her, regardless of the effect that would have on her life. So, I protected her and got her the hell out (without her or anyone else really knowing). You know you are done with a religion, church or group when your primary concern becomes protecting people from that religion, church or group.

    I'm a fairly nice guy. Fairly intelligent, fairly well-spoken, fairly well-educated. (Ohhh, OSA, do you detect a button? LOL) I was scarily effective at recruiting people, smoothing things over, and explaining things. Scarily effective at appearing concerned and reasonable because at heart I really was concerned and reasonable. I could interact and communicate with anyone (unless, of course, I had to explain why psychs are evil ). I was the concerned, nice, reasonable public face that the Church wants, and indeed needs, to project.

    I was camouflage. I was an enabler, a co-conspirator, an aider and abettor.

    In the end, I just got tired of being ashamed of myself.
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    Thank you - your story resonates deeply with me.

    I'm sooooo glad your integrity won out in the end and you are here, not "in."

    I pray daily that many of my friends will do the same that you have done.
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    Thumbs up A big ACK to ya!

    Well done and welcome! Just caught this data on another thread and you and I have a fair few things in common!

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    What a wonderful 'sorta intro' Kha Khan

    So good to hear you are regaining your integrity as am I.

    This board is a blessing, and I am so grateful to be here amongst so many great souls. It truly is a joy.

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    Thanks for some of your tales Kha Khan. All your reasons are precisely why I was never much of an FSM nor did I want to be. Looking forward to more tales!!

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    Great post Kha Khan.

    Way to go! You kept in your own ethics, and you kept your humanness and compassion. You didn't let them mess with your ability to see the way others were being treated and you retained your ability to see others as they were, and from their perspective. Sounds like you never bought into the "stupid, helpless wogs don't know what's good for them" think.

    Loved the analogy of the basic tech being the bait for a trap.

    That was very well written. Thanks.

    TL

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    Hi ya Kha Khan,

    I'm nodding here! Thanks for your fantastic post.

    You have brought back some memories here. That feeling of not wanting to take people into the org...I knew this wonderfully successful man. A truly warm human being. I was torn between "I must get him into scientology" and knowing he would be cleaned out financially (this guy was very wealthy). Thank goodness I took the "out-ethics" route and never introduced him to scientology. He went on in life to meet the love of his life, they married, laughed lots, travelled together...happy ending (they are still having their "happy ending"). Yay!

    Wonderful that you trusted yourself Kha Khan and found the door.
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    A post worthy of your screen name.

    But not your post count.
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    Yea, I "shut-up" about Scn years ago, could not bring myself to recommend a bridge full of holes and booby-traps to anyone I would feel an urge to help. And not devious enough to recommend to an enemy

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    Default So why did I stay in?

    Given the experiences I've already conveyed, one could reasonably ask, "Why the hell did you stay in? What in God's name induced you to come back... again and again?"

    Let me tell one, simple story.

    I was coaching the Comm course in Div 6 as a volunteer, heling out. Not taking the course; I'd taken it years ago. It was a situation, not uncommon in my experience, where the student, a young woman, signed up for the course without a twin, nobody else was taking the course, and there was no indication that anyone would be taking the course in the near future. She signed up for the course, paid for the course, what are you going to say? Particularly to a completely new person? "Oh, now that you've paid for the course, you have to wait until somebody else signs up." "Now that you've paid for the course, it is up to you to recruit somebody else to pay for and take the course so you have a twin." I don't think so. So I did the twin coach volunteer thing.

    Anyway, the young woman, she might have been 18, was from Latin America and culturally was stereotypically Latino with regard to her relationships and interactions with men. I am not saying that to be racist. I mean it a shorthand -- her behaviors, communications and interactions with men were consistent with the stereotype of Latino culture. Getting to know her outside of class, I learned that she was completely at the effect of her husband, father, brothers, uncles, and basically all men.

    The result was doing TR0 she couldn't look at me, confront me, for two seconds. I mean that literally. Forget bull-baiting. Simply confronting me in TR0 for more than a second, if that, was completely beyond her.

    We finally got past that. Then TR0 Bull-Bait. Oh my God. To start with, anything I did caused her to non-confront.

    So the course goes on and on and on.

    [While my intention is to tell a good story about Scientology, because as you will soon see it has a happy ending, I must mention one negative aspect. The course was taking a looooooooong time. It had to. Her ability to confront males was not zero, it was negative. So there were questions about why it was taking so long, there was pressure to complete, there was pressure for the all important "stat." To her credit, the Div 6 course supp, a great gal, saw what was going on and tried to insulate us to the best of her ability, but above her there were questions. Some mumblings. Perhaps I wasn't being a good coach. Perhaps I needed a re-tread on some training. Were my ethics in. But since I was doing it as a volunteer to help out, and they didn't have anyone else, it was clear a decision was made not to hassle me.]

    Anyway, to make an already too long story shorter, in the end the young woman solidly passed the course. No quicky. And anyone who could perceive could see the change in her. She was a different person. Her posture was better. She was brighter. She could confront, converse and communicate with me and other men without blanching. All of that from the farken Comm Course -- and doing it right.

    I suspect her husband, father, uncles, brothers, etc. shit their pants. Good.

    So that is why I stayed in, or kept coming back.

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    I'll make an additional, totally anecdotal, non-scientific observation. During my time in and out and in and out of the Church over the years, I think I saw a class of persons -- young (or not so young) Latino and Hispanic women who found Scientology empowering and a land of relative equality. Just a thought.

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    ADDENDUM: Again, while the above was intended to be positive (only because it was positive), to be honest I have to make a final observation. After observing the scene over many years, I have my doubts about the permanency of such change and improvements without continued drilling and practice. Now I personally have no problem with the idea that continued drilling and practice is necessary. I've practiced Buddhist meditation (Shikantaza), and it would never occur to me that the benefits would continue if the practice did not continue. But this was an area where my thoughts probably differed from official "tech" and Church policy, which of course means I was PTS or a DB or an SP or something. (This despite the fact that I knew of staff musters where TR0 was drilled to start the day -- then again, they were probably all PTS, DBs, or SPs too.).
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