The E-Meter As A Delusion Facilitator

[Kha Khan]

In another thread:

So as far as I can see the "confidential levels" were more or less solely created by a mad, paranoid, psychotic who was ill and on drugs during these key developments. And someone who used the e-meter as some sort of oija board to confirm his delusions.

While I included the first sentence for context, the second sentence is exceptionally important. This is very perceptive.

When used in a sec check or auditing, an e-meter does not detect truth. It does not detect what "is."

The e-meter detects what the pc believes to be true. It detects what the pc believes. It detects what "is" for the pc, but only for the pc.

If you believe that purple dinosaurs live in your back yard, the e-meter will confirm that you believe that purple dinosaurs live in your back yard. That does not mean that purple dinosaurs do, in fact, live in your back yard.

Consider. You are taught there are past lives. You are coached there are past lives. You are instructed there are past lives. The lectures. The meter training where you must pinpoint whether something happened 50 billion to 75 billion years ago.

And if you do not go "past life," then something is wrong. Wrong with you. Or wrong with the auditing. By definition. So a repair is called for. Or an investigation -- retread -- cramm -- etc., etc. of the auditor. File review.

Expense. Delay. Embarrassment. Cost. Social disruption.

And if you protest? Ostracized. Disconnection.

Consider. You are taught there are body thetans. You are instructed there are body thetans. Indeed, you are taught and instructed that your problems, your weaknesses, are caused by your body thetans.

And if you fail to communicate with your body thetans? If the thetan hand technique does not work?

Expense. Delay. Embarrassment. Cost. Social disruption.

And if you protest? Ostracized. Disconnection.

So you recall past life events. And the e-meter "confirms" your recollection.

Does that mean you actually had the past life experiences? That they are real? No. The meter read confirms only that you now believe that you did.

I wonder why.

So you communicate with your body thetans.

Does that mean you actually have body thetans? That they are real? No. The meter read confirms only that you now believe that you have body thetans.

Again, I wonder why.

The e-meter. A wonderful tool for confront and abreaction therapy, otherwise known as clearing.

The e-meter. A wonderful tool for aiding and facilitating the implanting of delusional ideas .

That you believe something is true doesn't make it true. That the e-meter confirms that you believe something is true doesn't make it true.

Oh, and for the relief or benefit some receive from the upper levels?

Assume someone convinces you that you have cancer. You truly believe you have cancer. Then they convince you that you do not have cancer. You now truly believe that you don't have cancer. Wouldn't you be relieved?

Assume someone convinces you that your problems are caused by body thetans. Forgetful body thetans. Drugged body thetans. You truly believe that your problems are caused by body thetans. Then they convince you that your troublesome body thetans have been removed. The e-meter confirms it! They are gone! Wouldn't you be relieved? Wouldn't that be a weight off of your shoulders?

Until, perhaps, you continue to have headaches. Or problems with your spouse. Or, when you are honest with yourself, the OT Committee really can't seem to make it go right, or go at all. Or....


So let me ask you, did you see three lights, or four?

********

[uniquemand]

It doesn't react based on what you believe. It reacts based on how you feel about what you believe. It reacts on fight/flight.

[Kha Khan]

It doesn't react based on what you believe. It reacts based on how you feel about what you believe. It reacts on fight/flight.

That may be true. But the foundation is your belief.

The e-meter cannot tell if you have purple dinosaurs in your backyard. It can only detect whether you react to the idea that you have purple dinosaurs in your backyard.

You state, "I have purple dinosaurs in my backyard." Your needle is floating. You are VGI. Obviously, that must mean that you have purple dinosaurs in your backyard.

You communicate with and remove a body thetan. Your needle is floating. You are VGI. Obviously, that must mean that you have successfully communicated with and removed a body thetan.

Do that enough, and we'll give you a large certificate, put you on stage, and applaud.

[Vinaire]

It doesn't react based on what you believe. It reacts based on how you feel about what you believe. It reacts on fight/flight.

I think that the e-meter reacts on the sudden recognition of what is being asked for.

The person looks and if he/she recognizes something there, which, in his opinion, is what is being asked for, then the meter will respond to that recognition.

It is a subjective thing.

.

[Zinjifar]

Ron seemed to think the E-meter *was* a 'truth detector'/divination tool. And, used it that way.

Zinj

[Been Done Had]

The meter may just be a for divination, depending how you define that. On second thought, not.

To divine means intution or supernatural forces are at work. The meter detects a PROVEN physiological reaction of the nervous system. It does seem to ride the edge between body and mind. Mainline psychiatry has demonstrated that emotionally loaded words create measurable change with a GSR meter (E-meter).

LRH says the meter is measuring the bank (subconscious) at just below the PC's awareness level. It's indicating charge (emotional loading? not sure how to wogify the term charge) just below the surface.

The auditor asks a question, if the needle deflects, then the auditor asks follow up questions to help guide the PC to the information. The meter helps the PC know where to look and helps the auditor know where to work.

LRH always said PC indicators are senior to the meter, recently that's changed though.

Regarding sec checks, they have become an abusive control mechanism. The only data the auditor will have is the needle deflected on a question, indicating something is there. Now if the PC is evasive and not really "in" session, you can't take that question to an F/N.

The meter isn't divinitory. Or magic. It's a tool. Like a hammer. And when meter, PC and auditor are working together, some amazing stuff can happen. As in genuine relief and gains and growth. I swear to God.

And that is the tiny little carrot at the end of the ethics stick.

[Zinjifar]

http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/misc/hubres.htm

If that's not 'divination', I don't know what is. Is it 'standard' auditing? No, probably not, but, it shows what *Ron* thought.

Zinj

[Thrak]

The e-meter reacts to reactions. I think that's about all you can say for sure.

[programmer_guy]

Kha Khan,

Excellent thread!

Yes, the e-meter reads on both real and imaginary stuff.
It's the imaginary stuff that leads one down the rabbit hole to delusion.

[uniquemand]

That may be true. But the foundation is your belief.

The e-meter cannot tell if you have purple dinosaurs in your backyard. It can only detect whether you react to the idea that you have purple dinosaurs in your backyard.

You state, "I have purple dinosaurs in my backyard." Your needle is floating. You are VGI. Obviously, that must mean that you have purple dinosaurs in your backyard.

You communicate with and remove a body thetan. Your needle is floating. You are VGI. Obviously, that must mean that you have successfully communicated with and removed a body thetan.

Do that enough, and we'll give you a large certificate, put you on stage, and applaud.

Yes, yes, yes, people can be lead to think that because something reads, it is "true". That's complete hogwash, though. If something reads, it basically reads on increases in cortical arousal, which is typically due to emotion generated in the amygdala, whether this reaches conscious awareness or not. The amygdala is the center of the brain which is responsible for fight/flight, if'n I remember correctly.

See the following article, or ignore it, whatever, but it sums up the best expression yet that I've seen of what the meter actually does.

http://www.trans4mind.com/transforma...ansform4.4.htm