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    Default Video: Gilman Hot Springs RPF Punishment, Running "Pole", Interviews Prince & Brooks

    Moderator Christian Bruckner, "...in Gilman Hot Springs is another attraction in the scientology program, a circular spot, in the middle is a palm tree, that's not meant for harmless games, that spot is for running, today clockwise, and tomorrow counter-clockwise..."

    Jesse Prince, "[David Miscavige] put a big main pole, and, and ah the Gilman Hotspring Location, and people had to run around it, all day, and it was a punshment for people who he thought had suddenly become [break] and you do it from the moment you wake up, until you go to sleep, you just run around the pole, day and night, for weeks on end."

    Stacy Brooks, "Twelve hours a day, [Bruckner, "around that pole?"] yah, until you realized you had been, ah faulty in your thinking, and, and ah were ready to think straight again, and be a proper scientologist."

    Bruckner, "Is that how it worked for Wiebke H? Did she also spend days on this spot? Wiebke H, the successful manager, what became of her?"

    These actions give a whole new meaning to scientology's question, "What are your crimes?"

    From the web page below; ...an land, running punishments sometimes meant running around a pole for hours at a time, often in hot sun (see Kent Interview with Pignotti, 1997: 22; S. Young, 1994: 66)...

    http://www.dci.dk/index.php?option=c...=125&Itemid=37
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    All true. I didn't see a single thing in that video I didn't experience myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iknowtoomuch View Post
    All true. I didn't see a single thing in that video I didn't experience myself.
    How can we get video of actual running punishments taking place? Past and present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CornPie View Post
    How can we get video of actual running punishments taking place? Past and present.

    I'd bet the tree isn't being used anymore. I'm sure DM has moved that whole idea to somewhere inside a building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iknowtoomuch View Post
    I'd bet the tree isn't being used anymore. I'm sure DM has moved that whole idea to somewhere inside a building.
    Oh I'm quite sure he has! He wouldn't want any helicopter pics anymore of someone actually doing the practice, now would he?
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    I said> How can we get video of actual [pole] running punishments taking place? Past and present.

    Iknowtoomuch replied> ...I'm sure DM has moved that whole idea to somewhere inside a building...

    Then how can we find which building, and get a videocamera inside of it. Somebody, please help!

    Maybe there are already pole running videos on somebody's shelf. With dates, places, and names of the victims and the villains. On camera interviews would add so much credibility.

    This video haunts me every time I watch it. It's an atrocity that needs to be exposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iknowtoomuch View Post
    All true. I didn't see a single thing in that video I didn't experience myself.
    How do they continue to get away with it, when so many people have witnessed it?

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    I wonder if there was any voting allowed at Happy Valley.

    Can someone provide me with the exact address and the years, which scientology was running the operation there. Also what was the address of the remote housing apartment in Hemet ?

    Thanks.

    PS: I got a CD from the Registrar of Voters. Jucy tidbid: DM did not vote !

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    There is no way for 'us' to get a camera inside a Scientology building, because it would be *illegal*.

    Opposing Scientology often has elements of 'spy vs. spy' to it, but, only as *they* break the law, violate privacy, harass, intimidate, 'investigate' both noisily and otherwise and generally act like the scum they are.

    There's no giggles in invasion of privacy. The people who *should* be doing the investigation would have to get warrants for every camera, bug etc. that they put in, and, that's as it should be.

    We're not the cops, but also not the Cult, and, there is no percentage in thinking about violating the law, even for the 'giggles'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinjifar View Post
    ...There is no way for 'us' to get a camera inside a Scientology building, because it would be *illegal*...

    ...We're not the cops, but also not the Cult, and, there is no percentage in thinking about violating the law, even for the 'giggles'...
    . The people in this video are describing felonies.
    . Punishing prisoners to run around a pole for hours, days, weeks; is a felony.
    . This is not civil justice, but a kangaroo court, administrators are clearly felons.
    . It ought to be worth violating privacy laws, to expose a felony.
    . When I speak of 'us', I do so from the perspective of all free citizens.
    . If someone has video, names, times; their duty is to expose it to the free world.
    . If I had such evidence, I'd expose it to the world first, then go to the cops.
    . My 1st concern would be to expose-stop the practice, 2nd let the cops do their job.
    . If law enforcement had the stomach to stop it, they'd have already done so.
    . Don't sell out future victims by signing a gag order on a settlement.
    . Even if you signed a gag order, I think you should renege and expose this practice.
    . If you've been a victim, or a perpetrator, expose it via on camera interview.
    . Video cameras are $150ish US, publishing on YouTube is free, cleanse your soul.
    . You can publish yourself in one day, the truth will set you free.
    . You joined scientology to make this a better world, now it's time to come clean.
    . In this case, it's better to ask forgiveness, than permission. Just do it.
    . Provide names, dates, times. Today videos are everything, text means nothing.
    . This is very very bad. As the saying goes, it's a "smoking gun".
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