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    Quote Originally Posted by Div6 View Post
    They will probably mass-mail them to the entire CF....I'm sure the Dwarf Mind has gone "Big Think" on this already....
    I got the impression that they are keeping the DVDs in orgs and missions only, and they are trying to make sure it stays that way.

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    I have heard mention of this new book project without hearing any of the specific details. I do get a peculiar vibe, but it could just be me and my paranoia...

    Seriously though, if there are major (or minor) changes, what happens with the project undertaken several years ago to preserve Scientology on indestructible materials?

    It's going to be quite expensive, time consuming and just plain hard to edit those, methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Björkist View Post
    I have heard mention of this new book project without hearing any of the specific details. I do get a peculiar vibe, but it could just be me and my paranoia...

    Seriously though, if there are major (or minor) changes, what happens with the project undertaken several years ago to preserve Scientology on indestructible materials?

    It's going to be quite expensive, time consuming and just plain hard to edit those, methinks.
    Indeed...titanium is going to be expensive to replace.

    Welcome to the board!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Div6 View Post
    Indeed...titanium is going to be expensive to replace.

    Welcome to the board!
    I suggest Titanium Stickers to cover the "incorrect" bits.

    Thank you, Div 6! I migrated here to check it out via a post by Fluffy on Beliefnet. Beliefnet is a little to conservative (or should I say "liberal"?) with deletion of posts!

    And I must say, I like the feel, look and layout of this board quite a bit.

    *B*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Björkist View Post
    I suggest Titanium Stickers to cover the "incorrect" bits.

    Thank you, Div 6! I migrated here to check it out via a post by Fluffy on Beliefnet. Beliefnet is a little to conservative (or should I say "liberal"?) with deletion of posts!

    And I must say, I like the feel, look and layout of this board quite a bit.

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    Bjorkist!

    Welcome to the Ex-Scientologist Message Board!

    I'm wondering if anyone knows anyone still in. They are all being pounded to buy these new books right now, and it should be interesting to see exactly what they've done with them.

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    Exclamation "Recovery of lost tech" - New books are indeed out.

    Greetings to all – this is my first post on this board, so in addition to everything else, hello.

    I see there is quite a bit of interest on this thread on the new books that have been released, the repercussions thereof, and the various other factors around this “recovery or lost tech”.

    I attended the first two MV events at Flag, and below is some data you may find interesting:

    The second was the “recovery of lost tech event” with the new release.

    All the basic books have been re-re-released, this time with a few previously unreleased congresses (to go along with the new versions of AP&A, DN55 and History of Man for example.) The event goes though showing how MANY alterations exist in nearly every book. The only books that were nearly exempt were EOS, DMSMH (was missing a synopsis, otherwise left as is textually.) and TWTH. Otherwise EVERY other book had major, basic, and significant alteration. You will see at the event – pretty staggering. Entire sections written by others, whole chapters missing, chapters mixed together, different versions of the text mashed together in the same paragraph, non LRH footnotes becoming text, etc.

    Blame is laid on the transcriptionists. Oh – by the way many of the basic books were NOT actually written by Ron, they were dictated. Hmmm . . . wonder how that datum was never broadly known.

    Now, at this point it is interesting to ask:

    If the books were not written by LRH directly, why have we been blatantly misled for 50 years?

    EVERY ONE, I do really do mean that, “KNEW” they were written by Ron. Except management knew they were not. Interesting.

    Rather than label them as TRANSCRIPTS, they were sold as canonical, verified, fully checked, LRH penned, words from Ron himself, in his own blood.

    Well, up until yesterday the basics books were 100% standard tech.

    Like everything else in Scn, that has changed. Now they are littered with alterations too numerous to describe, though at least reviewed in a 3+ hour straight briefing, book by book.

    Okay – now here is the next obvious point:

    Where the hell have RTRC and AVC been?

    Possessed of the responsibility to ensure the standardness of Scn, they seemed to have, shall we say, fucked up a bit. ALL the blame is laid on the transcriptionists, proofreaders and typesetters of the 1950s. None accepted by the church since then. Interesting. Even though WE HAD THE MATERIALS THE ENTIRE TIME ! ! ! ! No box of hidden manuscripts was discovered. Nope, it was all there already with the exception of two lectures – even then the Church had them, and just never really verified the materials against them as they pretended to.

    As some of you may remember, in the late 1980s and early 1990s ALL the basic books, every one, were republished as being fully on source, VERIFIED AGAINST THE LRH ORIGINALS. I bought them as they were republished during that time. Then in 1991 the new tech vols came out in and 1992(?) the new SHSBC came out. At that Auditors Day event COB said that the tens of thousands of hours had been spent fully verifying the basic books against source originals so that the BC could be re-released. He said that for the first time in history, all of Scn from The Original Thesis to the BC was 100% standard. He was VERY clear on this point.

    The 1989 version of the introduction for Dynamic of Life says:

    “Recently the original manuscript for this work was located. The text has been meticulously compared to the manuscript to ensure that this edition is a complete rendition of what the author intended for publication.”

    Since then RTC has preached again and again how they have ensured everything was 100% standard.

    Now COB says that they found the Original manuscript “with LRH’s hand written notes and edits”. Note we already had it apparently in archives. So the Original that was meticulously compared to in 1989 was the wrong original? And who did that? Transcriptionists form 1951? Nope – AVC and RTRC.

    Oops.

    So for TWENTY YEARS the Church has sold these alter-ised books and claimed they were fully verified.

    And now they want Scientologists to buy them all again for $450 for the books only or $3000 for the books and lectures both. And add another $1500 for the new “Book and Lecture” course package (where you do courses on them all.) Total = $4,500 for all the new materials and courses on them.

    No credit of course for the ones we already bought before. Even ISE and SOS – both released just a few years ago, nope – you get to buy them again. SOS has over 3,000 punctuation errors it turns out. Do you get a credit for EITHER of the two “new” versions of these books, nope.

    Now, consider this:

    Ron never noticed:

    So when teaching the SHSBC in the mid 60’s and Class VIII course in ’68 and having people study the basic books Ron failed to notice the degree of gross alteration that already existed at the time? And for the next 30 – 35 years, Ron never realized the books were completely riddled with alterations?

    Preservation of the tech:

    The basic books were etched into stainless steel plates, special archival books, etc. Millions were spent. Of course they were good to go to put them into this permanent form as RTC HAD VERIFIED THEM AS COMPLETELY STANDARD AGAINST THE ORIGINALS.

    LRH books to libraries:

    Basic books put into libraries around the world. Needs to be redone. Again.

    Senseless word-clearing:

    Endless thousands of hours of students “clearing their m/u’s” in the alter-ised TRANSCRIPTS – thinking they were written by Ron. Doing this until they “cogged” and came into agreement with the alter-is, or just quietly nodded in “agreement”.

    Release of BC in 1992 :

    Covered above. The whole point was that Scientology was now 100% standard and so it COULD be released again.

    Leather bound editions:

    Now utterly worthless. Cost thousands.

    No credit given for old alter-ised versions

    Even though they were sold to you as 100% source verified, sorry. Buy them again.

    Org / Mission Book stocks:

    Orgs have paid tens of thousand for the altered versions they have. Now they must pay $45,000 for the “new ones”. Wait a minute – they already paid for the overt products and now have to pay again? So every Org has to cough this up? And every mission. And field groups too. Why? And the math: 150 orgs + 300 missions at $45,000 each = over $20 MILLION. :eek:

    Destruction of old versions:

    Flag has made it absolutely clear all old versions are to be pulped or “turned in”. Makes it hard for qual to have one copy of every book, every issue, every tape that has ever been issued though. Nope, they will simply fade away like all other “old” materials – to be replaced only by the “new”. Makes it impossible to really track changes of course. Maybe everyone can bring in their old copies so we can have a nice book burning bon fire, dance around it and laugh about how we want to “beam the son of a bitch that did that to us”? COB meant the transcriptionists when he made that event joke. Maybe that’s not the right target.

    Every auditor and Scn has been instructed to turn over their old books to be pulped and buy the new ones.

    People were getting ready to throw away books that are not even amongst the ones republished such as Child Dn, Notes on the Lectures, Book of Case Remedies – they were in such ecstatic glee they were ready to throw out everything – WITHOUT INSPECTION. Holy crap!

    I assure you – there will not be a copy left in any Org Qual Library in the world to compare with (despite this being called for in policy).

    Previously written up reports:

    Oh yea – how about all the reports previously written up on mistakes / confusions in the books? Heavens, who would dare? They were pure LRH ! ! ! Of course when ever I wrote anything up I was told “We have verified them against the LRH originals.” I wonder what def. of “we” “verified” and “originals” were being used there. Of course, I just had m/us and was told to simply clear them.

    Don’t need a dictionary:

    In the event COB makes it clear that one need not study with a dictionary as all the definitions one could need are in the glossary. “The student does not need to look them up in the 8 dictionaries”. You could interpret what he said in two ways I guess, but he did say something very much like “the space in front of the student will be clear as they will only have the book itself.” Completely out tech. One person on the new book course at Flag asked the Sup about this and how it violated standard word clearing – the Flag sup replied “Humm, I’ll have to clarify that.” Oh Jesus, you need to ask?

    AND GET THIS: The new glossary states:

    “This glossary is not meant to take the place of standard language or Dianetics or Scientology dictionaries, which should be referred to for any words, terms or phrases that do not appear below.”

    Yep, so if they appear in the glossary you don’t need to clear them in a dictionary and clear to full conceptual understanding. This is how it is being done at Flag.

    Original Thesis Subjugated:

    Although COB sated in the event a Scn could start with The Original Thesis – he highly encouraged them to start with DMSMH. At Flag public are highly pressured to do DMSMH first. Also, there is not even a new extension course for The Original Thesis.

    Humm.. yet THIS is the book Ron states again and again as THE BOOK to know. The Why TRs film basically states we should memorize it.

    Now – just skip it really. It contains background data that “just creates questions better answered by DMSMH.”

    (Insert eye roll here. . . )

    Boasting as to speed of delivery:

    Based on the figures given in the event for how fast people were getting through the new books, it was figures like:

    50 pages in a course slot for SOS
    POW in 4 hours
    8-80 in 6 hours

    Yea, just like the Golden Age of Tech courses are faster than ever, I am sure.

    Seriously – these figures are insane – and why boast of them anyway?

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    Summary of the new books, their history and new revisions could be stated by the equation:

    8-8008

    “The attainment of complete impunity by the reduction of one’s own responsibility and the increase of the apparent no responsibility of transcriptionists to infinity”

    So, in case you have been wondering what the "word from the inside" is, I hope that satisfies your curiosity.

    Hello again to all, and I look forward to participating in this forum more.

    Cheers,

    Crusty Old Bastard
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    COB - nice pun. Wait a minute. We already have a DullOldFart - it's a conspiracy by the oldies to take over ESMB!

    Welcome to the Board.

    Great first post. A lot to think on there.

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    OMG!!! Having been a child that grew up in Scientology and the Sea Org and now being an old fart myself I have to say this is absolutely BS!!!
    There is no way in hell that all those supposed "errors" were missed.

    This is just another ploy to take the old mans name out of everything and take over the whole shebang.

    I was there in many of the instances of what supposedly was not LRH was corrected. I was there when BTBs etc were put into effect because they werent written by him and I know for a fact that they were scoured with direction from LRh himself to make sure that anything that was signed with L. Ron Hubbard was indeed written by him.

    By the way there are some ex peeps on the ex so board who worked in Pubs and can tell you specifically that this is BS.

    It's a new way to make money for a failing organization. It is a new way to get rid of LRH's name and get more power.

    I cannot believe that any sane Scientologist would believe this BS and just keep paying and paying for stuff that now ISN'T written by LRH.

    Sad, very sad!

    By the way thanks for the info crusty. Nice name!

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    Thanks for the info Crusty.

    Great first post.


    I wonder what my 70's full library is worth now?

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    Excellent write up, COB!

    I haven't been a Scientologist for 5 years and this makes even MY blood boil!

    I can't believe that existing staff and Scientologists would be such unthinking sheep to believe this, and to go along with it.

    OH .. MY... GOD!

    And welcome, to you. Very glad to have you aboard ESMB!

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