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    I've been working on this for a while. This is the first part. I plan on adding details in the future.

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    The Beginning of the End

    January 2007

    “Okay folks, this is your get-off point,” the bus driver announced. It was 10 AM and the air was nice and cool. I was ready for a day at the beach and some auditing from the Church of Scientology in Santa Barbara. I decided to first locate the Church of Scientology after getting off.

    Walking down State Street was certainly an experience I would not forget. “I haven't been here since I was in 3rd grade! How could I have not been able to this beauty and this air?” The excitement I felt was almost unbearable. Finally out of my own house, in a different city and ready to seize the day!

    After locating the church, I decided to find a nice spot to eat. Fortunately, I had done my homework the night before and picked out a nice vegetarian place called the Natural Cafe. Of course, I was vegetarian and the food was absolutely superb. Especially since there was a girl that was glancing over at me every so often. :D

    I felt a feeling of independence already, and I knew I would probably never see her again anyway, so I went over to introduce myself.

    “Uh, uh, uh... my name is... would you... can I...?” I paused for a moment. “What the hell was I doing? I don't even know this girl and now I'm making a complete idiot of myself,” I thought.

    “Hi! My name is Krystal. What's yours?” She put out her hand as if I were to shake it. I looked down at her hand, nails just done and short stubby fingers. It must have been a few seconds because she started giggling. She put her hand down on the table. I looked up at her slumping forward slightly.

    “I'm Steve. How are you?”

    As we began to talk, she asked if I wanted to sit down with her. I accepted, and probably too quickly. As we continued talking, I couldn't help noticing every inch of her body. She would chuckle with a big smile on her face each time our eyes met. Her hair was long and beautiful. Then reality seemed to snap in almost instantaneously. “Wait!” I thought. “Why would she be bothering with a poor shlub like me? Is she putting me on or something?” I put this in the back of mind. A girl was talking to me. Why should I ruin this moment?

    “So what do you think?” she asked.

    “Hmmm? Oh I think you're great.” She smiled sheeplishly.

    “Okay then; nevermind.”

    It wasn't long before our conversation turned toward politics and religion. Since living in Utah, I had a much more conservative view of things than I had previously as a very liberal individual when I lived in California before. Now I was just a conservative liberal.

    The more we talked, the more it seemed as though we disagreed and were polar opposites. Yet, we both seemed to find a fascination with one another even more so.

    She was a Republican. I was a Democrat.
    She was outgoing. I was shy.
    She had a fiery temper. I was calm and collective (most of the time anyway).
    She liked the color pink. I liked the color blue.
    She was a Christian, and I? Well, I was a Scientologist.

    This caused plenty of grief in our relationship. While the majority of our debates were fun-filled and just playing devil's advocate, we both seemed to take religion seriously. I had something that she didn't. I had a spiritual technology that I had several improvements and wins from. I possessed everything from the ARC Triangle to the Study Tech. I felt it was almost my DUTY to share this knowledge with her.

    While I didn't state this upfront to her (merely mentioning that I was a Scientologist), she still seemed to take some interest in what it was. “Excellent!” I thought. “A second date.” I told her that we could talk about it more if she would like to meet me with me again. It was about 1 by now, and I wanted to head over to the Church as soon as possible. She agreed and I gave her some of my contact information. We closed our conversation on a positive note telling her I hoped to hear from her.

    “Now,” I said to myself. “Time to head over to the church and get some wins.”

    Within in seconds I was walking through the doors to the Church of Scientology.

    “Hi! Can we help you?” a nice lady asked behind the desk.

    “Yes. I'm from Salt Lake City and I have a course that I need to finish up,” I said.

    “Okay. Well, your welcome to go upstairs and begin. Myself or one of the others will be up to help you in a minute.”

    I was on the Hubbard Dianetics Seminar ready to begin the auditing portion of the course. Excited, I walked upstairs. While I was only 4-5 blocks away from the beach, I never had the chance to get away to go to it.

    “Oh well.” I thought. “At least I could help myself and overcome my withholds.”

    After hours of auditing, I hopped on the bus to go back north from whence I came.
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    To be continued...
    "If anyone wants a monopoly on Dianetics, be assured that he wants it for reasons which have to do not with Dianetics but with profit." --LRH, DMSMH, page 226, 1987 Edition

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    "Since we can now handle all types of cases, disconnection as a condition is cancelled." --LRH, 15 November 1968, HCO Policy Letter

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    Steve, I worked for Peter Alexandre about 1999, as a superintendent, and one of our projects was to put a new steel beam structure to strengthen the Santa Barbara Org. It took months, cutting holes, getting the beams in and attached, to help it withstand the next earthquake. State Street is really nice, and the surrounding area is worth exploring. There were very few public on lines at the time. My sister almost became the ED there, but went to Albuquerque instead. I had to walk by the ED for weeks, knowing she was about to be replaced, and she had no idea it was coming down. I wonder if the place is doing any business in PT.
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    Reaching home, I got on the computer to see if I missed something.

    “Hey! I'll be adventurous this evening!” I thought. I googled “Scientology” and was still puzzled by the amount of lies I saw before me. “What idiots!” I thought. “When are they going to learn to do better things with their time?” I clicked one of the first links that would appear. “Xenu.net, how are you old buddy?” I said to myself, “Let's see what new junk you've posted.” It'd been almost a year since I first saw the website introduced by a friend of mine.

    ===Flashback===

    I was sitting at my desk in a noisy debate class. It was only a couple hours before school would get out. I was reading What is Scientology? in an attempt to strike up conversation. My good friendly neighbor asked what I was reading.

    “It's What is Scientology. It explains the fundamental principles of the Church of Scientology and the successes that many people, including myself, have had from it.”
    “You know it's all just a load of bullshit, right?”
    “What are you talking about? You don't know what you're talking about!”
    “Don't you folks believe in some alien or something?”
    “What?!”
    “It's on the web. I can't explain it here.”
    “You don't know what you're talking about! Scientology is based on principles that work! How can you not see that?”
    “Just look on the web. Google 'xenu.' They can explain it much better than I could.”
    “Okay... whatever.”

    A few hours later, I was home and looking on the Internet. “Let's find out what this moron 'friend' of mine was talking about. Xenu? What is this? Some sort of joke?” I found the link to the Xenu leaflet.

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm

    Are these people serious? I haven't been in THAT long and I can already tell that this site was bullshit.

    “That jerk Parnell... he doesn't know what he's talking about,” I thought as I skimmed the site. “Xenu TV? Boy this'll be a laugh! What?! Did they make a movie about it now?”

    http://www.xenutv.com/

    “Hmm... who's this good for nothing guy? Looks like a pastor I've met. Oh! This lady looks nice. What's her deal?”

    http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/tory-videos.htm

    “Well, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to watch one of them. OT-7 panel looks interesting.”

    http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/otpanel.htm

    “Well that was weird.”
    “Stephen! Dinner!”
    “Shucks! I can take a look at some of this later.”

    ===End of Flashback===

    “Hmmm... this looks interesting. A.r.s. in review?”

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/WIR/

    “Looks stupid. Let's google this thing.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.religion.scientology
    Then to:
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r.../topics?lnk=lr

    I wondered why so many people were posting to this newsgroup. Well, I can always ask them. As I pondered as to what I should title myself, I decided to post as “The Professor.” This should be fun.

    “I, as a Scientologist apologetic, come here in peace. I understand that this group has large amounts of critics in it. I'd like to see the other side of the story. I want to know what you folks think, and why you think that way.

    Feel free to send me an e-mail, but do it in peace. I don't want to have a bunch of people trying to troll me.”

    “Now let's see what these good-for-nothing scumbags have to say, or even better! Let's cause a little disruption. Make a little noise for a bit.” So I took my original account and posted:

    “Why are you still posting on this group, professor? You know very well the hostility towards Scientologists on this group.”

    I thought that this would cause some drama, even though I was posting from the same IP address. I decided later that night that the group wasn't even worth my time and later leave. The hostility was unbearable.

    By now it was late, and I was tired.
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    "Since we can now handle all types of cases, disconnection as a condition is cancelled." --LRH, 15 November 1968, HCO Policy Letter

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHTEEATE View Post
    Steve, I worked for Peter Alexandre about 1999, as a superintendent, and one of our projects was to put a new steel beam structure to strengthen the Santa Barbara Org. It took months, cutting holes, getting the beams in and attached, to help it withstand the next earthquake. State Street is really nice, and the surrounding area is worth exploring. There were very few public on lines at the time. My sister almost became the ED there, but went to Albuquerque instead. I had to walk by the ED for weeks, knowing she was about to be replaced, and she had no idea it was coming down. I wonder if the place is doing any business in PT.
    Was Peter pretty tall and have dark hair?
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    Steven, I have seen many posts by various critics and even by a Freezoner or two saying that people on a.r.s. (notice they NEVER say it about OCMB...they could never sell THAT bill of goods...) really don't have anything against Scn or Scn'ists, it's all just the practices of CofS, and they want to make them stop.

    This is true of some critics but seems to be the minority.

    The majority hate Scn itself, hate the idea of anyone studying Scn as an indie or Freezoner or anything else, and will be hostile to any Scn'ist posting there.

    But luckily, they aren't all like that. There are still a fair number of critics around who do not think or act like that and who really are cool with ideological diversity, and who really are true to their stated goals of wanting to stop CofS and its abuses toward members and toward others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffy View Post
    Steven, I have seen many posts by various critics and even by a Freezoner or two saying that people on a.r.s. (notice they NEVER say it about OCMB...they could never sell THAT bill of goods...) really don't have anything against Scn or Scn'ists, it's all just the practices of CofS, and they want to make them stop.

    This is true of some critics but seems to be the minority.

    The majority hate Scn itself, hate the idea of anyone studying Scn as an indie or Freezoner or anything else, and will be hostile to any Scn'ist posting there.

    But luckily, they aren't all like that. There are still a fair number of critics around who do not think or act like that and who really are cool with ideological diversity, and who really are true to their stated goals of wanting to stop CofS and its abuses toward members and toward others.
    Hmmm... for some reason, my posts are disappearing. I previously asked what you were referencing to.
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    Was referring to this one

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    Reaching home, I got on the computer to see if I missed something.

    “Hey! I'll be adventurous this evening!” I thought. I googled “Scientology” and was still puzzled by the amount of lies I saw before me. “What idiots!” I thought. “When are they going to learn to do better things with their time?” I clicked one of the first links that would appear. “Xenu.net, how are you old buddy?” I said to myself, “Let's see what new junk you've posted.” It'd been almost a year since I first saw the website introduced by a friend of mine.

    ===Flashback===

    I was sitting at my desk in a noisy debate class. It was only a couple hours before school would get out. I was reading What is Scientology? in an attempt to strike up conversation. My good friendly neighbor asked what I was reading.

    “It's What is Scientology. It explains the fundamental principles of the Church of Scientology and the successes that many people, including myself, have had from it.”
    “You know it's all just a load of bullshit, right?”
    “What are you talking about? You don't know what you're talking about!”
    “Don't you folks believe in some alien or something?”
    “What?!”
    “It's on the web. I can't explain it here.”
    “You don't know what you're talking about! Scientology is based on principles that work! How can you not see that?”
    “Just look on the web. Google 'xenu.' They can explain it much better than I could.”
    “Okay... whatever.”

    A few hours later, I was home and looking on the Internet. “Let's find out what this moron 'friend' of mine was talking about. Xenu? What is this? Some sort of joke?” I found the link to the Xenu leaflet.

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm

    Are these people serious? I haven't been in THAT long and I can already tell that this site was bullshit.

    “That jerk Parnell... he doesn't know what he's talking about,” I thought as I skimmed the site. “Xenu TV? Boy this'll be a laugh! What?! Did they make a movie about it now?”

    http://www.xenutv.com/

    “Hmm... who's this good for nothing guy? Looks like a pastor I've met. Oh! This lady looks nice. What's her deal?”

    http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/tory-videos.htm

    “Well, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to watch one of them. OT-7 panel looks interesting.”

    http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/otpanel.htm

    “Well that was weird.”
    “Stephen! Dinner!”
    “Shucks! I can take a look at some of this later.”

    ===End of Flashback===

    “Hmmm... this looks interesting. A.r.s. in review?”

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/WIR/

    “Looks stupid. Let's google this thing.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.religion.scientology
    Then to:
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r.../topics?lnk=lr

    I wondered why so many people were posting to this newsgroup. Well, I can always ask them. As I pondered as to what I should title myself, I decided to post as “The Professor.” This should be fun.

    “I, as a Scientologist apologetic, come here in peace. I understand that this group has large amounts of critics in it. I'd like to see the other side of the story. I want to know what you folks think, and why you think that way.

    Feel free to send me an e-mail, but do it in peace. I don't want to have a bunch of people trying to troll me.”

    “Now let's see what these good-for-nothing scumbags have to say, or even better! Let's cause a little disruption. Make a little noise for a bit.” So I took my original account and posted:

    “Why are you still posting on this group, professor? You know very well the hostility towards Scientologists on this group.”

    I thought that this would cause some drama, even though I was posting from the same IP address. I decided later that night that the group wasn't even worth my time and later leave. The hostility was unbearable.

    By now it was late, and I was tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffy View Post
    Steven, I have seen many posts by various critics and even by a Freezoner or two saying that people on a.r.s. (notice they NEVER say it about OCMB...they could never sell THAT bill of goods...) really don't have anything against Scn or Scn'ists, it's all just the practices of CofS, and they want to make them stop.

    This is true of some critics but seems to be the minority.

    The majority hate Scn itself, hate the idea of anyone studying Scn as an indie or Freezoner or anything else, and will be hostile to any Scn'ist posting there.

    But luckily, they aren't all like that. There are still a fair number of critics around who do not think or act like that and who really are cool with ideological diversity, and who really are true to their stated goals of wanting to stop CofS and its abuses toward members and toward others.
    Aha! Gotcha.

    I'm writing as if I were still in. The perception and style of writing changes as I move out. That way you can understand what was going on in my head and the thought processes 'n such. Speaking of which... I need to work on the next section... :o
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    It had been a few days before I had heard anything from Krystal. I woke up at my usual time in the mornings and checked my e-mail as I usually do. When I checked my myspace, there was a new friend request. “Great! Spam!” Come to find out, Krystal had messaged me and sent me a friend request. We began talking and I showed her some links to Dianetics. We decided later that week to meet again for date. This continued for a few weeks. We must've gone out 8-9 times in 3 weeks or so. She'd come up to my end and stay a couple of nights and I would go down there for a couple of nights at a time.

    As we began experiencing problems in communication and affection, I asked if she would be interested in marriage counseling. She had expressed interest in Scientology anyway, so I thought this would be a perfect way to figure out what Scientology was all about... helping people. She finally became open to it around the end of January.

    When we began, we were off to a great start. Open honesty, communication; everything! It was wonderful. It didn't take long for those wins to fade, though.

    I found out what had happened later. She told me that she had no idea it was a critic group. She lied about this to me, but if I knew that she was knowingly posting on a critical group like ARS, I would've gone through the roof and she knows it.

    While I was downstairs making some dinner for the two of us to enjoy a nice romantic St. Valentine's Day, she was upstairs posting that she had a boyfriend who was a Scientologist and wanted to know more. Well, she got her responses alright. When I found out she was posting what she was, I WENT THROUGH THE ROOF!!! AND ON MY COMPUTER!!! I couldn't believe it. And now she was trying to show me “the truth” about Scientology.
    “You're only on your first course! What makes you such an authority? We've been having excellent wins on the marriage counseling course. It wasn't until you posted on that newsgroup that we started having problems again. You see what these religious bigots do? They take away from yours and my wins!”

    She asked me about some of this stuff on Valentine's Day (which almost completely ruined the mood for me). That evening, she spent the night before going back to Santa Barbara. The next day, she began showing what I call “suppressive person behavior” where she showed me all of the information, links, thread, etc. that she had found.

    Some of the links she showed me were:
    http://www.scientomogy.com/jeremy_perkins.php
    http://www.scientomogy.com/south_park_emmy.php
    http://www.scientomogy.com/the_bridge.php
    http://www.scientomogy.com/narconon_scam.php
    http://www.lermanet.com/
    http://www.scientomogy.com/xenu_space_opera.php
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ogle+Searchisa
    http://www.xenu.net
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTIII/
    http://www.xenutv.com

    That turned into a HUGE fight, especially when I found out she was posting from my computer to this newsgroup that I had posted to only a month before. After showing me those links and trying to reason with me, we broke up. I had called and talked to one of the staff members in Salt Lake City to see what I should do. She never told me to disconnect with her, but mentioned it as a last resort.

    After the fight, I didn't want anything to do with her and she didn't want a whole lot to do with me. We would get back together a couple days later.

    After we managed to salvage whatever it was we had left, we agreed that she would leave the newsgroup: alt.religion.scientology to myself, since my name was now mentioned. I began started posting from then on as “Stephen Von Hatten.”
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    Posting to critical forums can be a two edged sword. It brings benefits (information that one would not have otherwise had) and things not so beneficial...(people trying to out the person, people pulling fair game type tactics while bemoaning CofS' commission of fair game tactics).

    Scn can be a two edged sword, as well. It has brought heartache to many for its uncompromising ideas and its stance (and yes, I'm saying Scn, not just CofS) that people should give their all to it and get little in return and its arbitraries, and it has brought benefits to many in re auditing and other things.

    Now that I think of it, many things in life are like that.

    The only solution is to look at individual situations, experiences and ideas individually and to analyze them.

    And your recounting of your experiences on this thread is a great step in that direction.
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