The Major Flaw in Knowledgism

[uniquemand]

It doesnt seem that that is the goal. More like big powerful game winners with abilities as the avenue, rather than awakening abilities to further progress beyond the game.

That is one on the key difference in my opinion between scientology and Knowledgism, scientology the philosophy was all about getting out of the trap, while knowledgism seems to want to win in it.

But then I personally enjoy human life.....so its not a bad thing in itself, but also the goal of transcending it is important.

It's only a trap if you forget that it's a show.

[alex]

It's only a trap if you forget that it's a show.

And that forgetting goes so deep that I have never met someone who has got out.

We are so deeply ingrained into the material realm that we dont even see it to a large extent. Our agreement with it is much more fundamental to how we exist than something we can just exteriorize from.

It is still our frame of reference if we exteriorize from it.

And the next frame of reference is a spiritual realm that is equally a "show". We are also deeply ingrained in to it, we operate in it simultaneously with our "Human" lives....although it is more subtle, harder to perceive with the overwhelm of information from the Physical...



And beyond that? I suspect more.

[Zinjifar]

I have never met someone who has got out.

Why would you think that? Are you expecting them to tell you or that they'll glow in the dark?

Zinj

[nexus100]

And that forgetting goes so deep that I have never met someone who has got out.

We are so deeply ingrained into the material realm that we dont even see it to a large extent. Our agreement with it is much more fundamental to how we exist than something we can just exteriorize from.

It is still our frame of reference if we exteriorize from it.

And the next frame of reference is a spiritual realm that is equally a "show". We are also deeply ingrained in to it, we operate in it simultaneously with our "Human" lives....although it is more subtle, harder to perceive with the overwhelm of information from the Physical...



And beyond that? I suspect more.

We govern and are governed by our reality. We see what we believe we can see. If you insist on sticking to a concept of "exterior" or that there is no solution to understanding, there your understanding will end because that is all you will see.

It may be that you are in a stage just prior to observing these objectifications in their true light-which will involve discovering why you believed them in the first place. Hang in there!

[alex]

We govern and are governed by our reality. We see what we believe we can see. If you insist on sticking to a concept of "exterior" or that there is no solution to understanding, there your understanding will end because that is all you will see.

It may be that you are in a stage just prior to observing these objectifications in their true light-which will involve discovering why you believed them in the first place. Hang in there!

Kinda my point, exterior is only a reference to a concept of un exterior, not a freedom from the concept.

Being "exterior" still validates that which you are exterior from.

[nexus100]

Kinda my point, exterior is only a reference to a concept of un exterior, not a freedom from the concept.

Being "exterior" still validates that which you are exterior from.

Free from a concept? Are you tied up by a concept or tied up in belief of a concept? Who ties you up? Who and what unties you?

It sounds like you are BSing to me.

[alex]

Free from a concept? Are you tied up by a concept or tied up in belief of a concept? Who ties you up? Who and what unties you?

It sounds like you are BSing to me.

Holding a concept is a belief, is reality, is what ties you up.

Not bs'ing...

Actually when I "cog'ed" on the futility of exteriorization was a big move forward.

Being exterior is simply a validation of the existence and reality of what one is exterior from, not a solution to it.

It is solely self which creates its own experience. (including the perception of others creation.)

[uniquemand]

Holding a concept is a belief is reality is what ties you up.

Not bsing...

Actually when I "cog'ed" on the futility of exteriorization was a big move forward.

Being exterior is simply a validation of the existence and reality of what one is exterior from, not a solution to it.

It is solely self which creates its own experience. (including the perception of others creation.)

I disagree. I do believe real communication is possible, and by this I mean that when we perceive someone else's creations, if we are just INTERPRETING them, rather than perceiving them, then, yes, that would mean you were creating your perception of their creation. However, if you actually perceive what they created, then real communication has occurred.

[alex]

I disagree. I do believe real communication is possible, and by this I mean that when we perceive someone else's creations, if we are just INTERPRETING them, rather than perceiving them, then, yes, that would mean you were creating your perception of their creation. However, if you actually perceive what they created, then real communication has occurred.

Attention is the creation of the recipient of communication.

I do not disbelieve in the existence of others! Real communication is possible and not reliant on physical means either.

Interpreting is thinking not perceiving.

Perception requires the focusing of attention.

[uniquemand]

Attention is the creation of the recipient of communication.

I do not disbelieve in the existence of others! Real communication is possible and not reliant on physical means either.

Interpreting is thinking not perceiving.

Perception requires the focusing of attention.

Again, I disagree. Attention is receptive intention. The intent to receive.