The Major Flaw in Knowledgism

[Leon]

There's nothing too strange about having "spiritual teammates" co-operating in one's life. There are numerous cases of farmers on record (books written) where entities assist in developing the farm and co-acting in the growth of crops. I know of one such guy - he was a forester in Africa - and had little fellas tell him whenever his attention was needed anywhere on the estate. They were always spot-on.

I have myself at times found one very useful as an ally, though no ways is he "enslaved" or "beholden" to me. The first time he made himself present I recall I was working at my workbench when I reached for a screwdriver and it wasn't where I thought it was. A little voice said out from behind me "It's in the oil bucket". I tought What?? How could it be there? I couldn't find the screwdriver anywhere at all with my eyes, so I shoved my hand into the bucket of waste gearbox oil and hauled out the screwdriver. How the hell it got there is still quite beyond me.

On many other occasions too this friend has acted in my interests. Only point of contention we have is I like a glass of wine when I relax at the end if the day and he doesn't want me to have it and says so. But I win on that one, I have the wine.

[DartSmohen]

Interesting! I'm glad Dart is going to share with us the spiritual team-mates philosophy, so that we can all talk about it with an educated eye. I'm sure he wouldn't just be dangling a mystery for purposes of selling a course.

Hullo Uniquemaid,

I am more than happy to respond to your post as you have put your point forward in a friendly and courteous manner, unlike some comments from others which are clearly tainted by the writer's own emotional baggage and negativity.

First of all, what is a spiritual team mate?

This is a being in and around your space who either contributes to, or hinders your activities and success.

Not all beings in your space are neccessarialy "team mates".

The old agage "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" comes in. The answer being "Practice, practice, practice"

Whatever skills you wish to develop will depend on how well you practice those skills. In doing so, those team mates around you will also improve and become more and more in line with what you are looking to develop.

I remember being in Japan in the 1970's and met the Grand Master of Akido. He gave a demonstration.

He had a small helium filled balloon tied to a crossbar. Across this a silk thread with two bells attached.

He turned his back to the balloon, drew his sword and cut through the silk thread WITHOUT bursting the balloon.

That was the result of YEARS of practice. He demonstrated a level of mastery where he and his team were as one.

In Knowledgism we look at ourselves as operating within zones.

The lowest is the RED ZONE. Here you are faced with people (and quite a few of your team mates ) working against you. You are unskilled, unaware of how to perform what you are doing, working with counter intention and are usually in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing and at the wrong time.

Two examples; Do you remember the first time you sat in a car learning how to drive? There was confusion, uncertainty etc. However, the more you practiced, the more competent you became.

Think of a boat crew who have never rowed before. They are all splashing around, confusion reigns. As they learn how to row, so they begin to work together, so it develops.

I often think of an office, particularly an open plan one, as an example. It is like a war zone. People are covertly, sometimes openly working against each other, trying to get ahead of the other guy.They get into "games conditions". It is amazing that the company even makes a profit.

Just imagine what it would be like if everyone there actually worked WITH each other. How much more successful would the company be?

So it is with your own spiritual team.

As you develop your skills so you move up into the Yellow zone. Here you are WORKING FOR whatever you are doing.

Most employees operate within these two bands, they are there for the wage. They follow their orders and keep their heads down. Quite often they will know their job function, complete their work as neccessary, but that is the limit of their ambition and drive.

Supposing they really practiced their skills, made sure they understood the concepts of what they were looking to achieve? They would then be WORKING WITH each other, achievement and success comes with operating at this level.

Again, it is the same with your spiritual team.

On a personal level, I started in my business 30 years ago. It was hard, I worked long hours and the rewards were not great. However, after practicing my skills in my field, I have fully trained my customers and suppliers to work WITH me, I am considered a major player in my field, I work about 6-8 hours per week and bring in a six figure sum.

For me, Knowledgism is about getting people to apply their skills. We have successful procedures that, if applied, do assist individuals to develop whatever aspect of their life they want to improve. It goes withouit saying that the individual's own team also learn to work WITH you as well. This we refer to as the Green Zone.

Like I said earlier, not all beings in and around your space are part of your team. There is nothing to stop them joining in, if they so choose.

I hope that this gives you a clearer insight into what my spiritual team mate philosophy is about.

Dart

[uniquemand]

Thanks, Dart. So, doesn't sound like bt slavery to me, Alex!

[alex]

What of the situation of entities who have just been freed from unconsciousness or compulsive "location" in ones space?

Are they dealt with in a neutral attitude? Or encouraged to join the team. It would seem they are "ripe" for it.

That would be more to the crux of this discussion.

I get the distinct impression that knowledgism encourages people to process them and add them to ones team.

Which has overtones of definition 3, rather than 2...

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?...3&postcount=26

[alex]

Hullo Uniquemaid,

I am more than happy to respond to your post as you have put your point forward in a friendly and courteous manner, unlike some comments from others which are clearly tainted by the writer's own emotional baggage and negativity.

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Dart

Here is my original post:

"The major flaw in knowledgism is spiritual teammates.

What? Teams bad? Spiritual teams sounds like a great idea...

A team is a group organized for a common purpose. Nothing wrong with that.

But with the knowledgism technology these teams are composed partly of the entities that were once unconsciously bound to others.

Entities that may have been unconscious and completely other determined for quite a long time. Knowledgism, rather than completely freeing these entities, uses help and affinity to bind them into a team and then organizes them for purposes other than what the entity may have decided to do left to their own choices.

"Spiritual Teammates" could also be called subtlety enslaved entities. Yes a nice enslavement, affinity flows and all, but still, not completely free.

The purpose of developing these teams is the trap of thinking that power and dominion over material life it necessary to "win" the "game".

It is a trap of not seeing what freedom is, but rather trying to beat a game that is an illusion in the first place.

Power, control, sovereignty, are in themselves elements of separation from true freedom.

My opinion."


I do not believe it was discourteous.

Would you like to address the specific issue I brought up?

You answered with a general statement about the zones and teammates.

[DartSmohen]

What of the situation of entities who have just been freed from unconsciousness or compulsive "location" in ones space?

Are they dealt with in a neutral attitude? Or encouraged to join the team. It would seem they are "ripe" for it.

That would be more to the crux of this discussion.

I get the distinct impression that knowledgism encourages people to process them and add them to ones team.

Which has overtones of definition 3, rather than 2...

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?...3&postcount=26

In answer to your question, if a being wakes up from unconciousness or compulsive location in one's own space, that is exactly what they do; wake up. If you grant them beingness they will make their own decisions.

As to joining one's team, well, success does attract. No one is "encouraged" to join in. If they want to join, they are welcome. If they want to just hang around, then fine, so long as they don't impede you and your team in their endeavours.

Whilst we can and do process people, our focus is on training. There is no such thing as processing them to encourage them to join your team. It is all down to the being's choice.

Otherwise you are getting into a Scn cult type activity of trying to determine for them.

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

In answer to your question, ...

Thank you for answering this politely.

In any posting there are always others "listening in".

[alex]

In answer to your question, if a being wakes up from unconciousness or compulsive location in one's own space, that is exactly what they do; wake up. If you grant them beingness they will make their own decisions.

As to joining one's team, well, success does attract. No one is "encouraged" to join in. If they want to join, they are welcome. If they want to just hang around, then fine, so long as they don't impede you and your team in their endeavours.

Whilst we can and do process people, our focus is on training. There is no such thing as processing them to encourage them to join your team. It is all down to the being's choice.

Otherwise you are getting into a Scn cult type activity of trying to determine for them.

Actually Hubbard recomended a "neutral" attitude towards them. I believe because of the possible tendency for them to perhaps be grateful and stick around, rather than going off to discovery thier own freely chosen path.

You are granting them beingness, you are an ally by that act. Their staying around has elements of other determinism.

You could be their "god" in thier eyes after being helped thusly.

While Knowledgism has many elements in common with scientology, I believe its emphasis on life success and its potential to influence entities into "bonding" rather than explore the other possiblities are problematic. Material success is not spiritual.

[Alanzo]

Way to go, Dart.

Thanks.

[RogerB]

Here is my original post:

"The major flaw in knowledgism is spiritual teammates.

What? Teams bad? Spiritual teams sounds like a great idea...

A team is a group organized for a common purpose. Nothing wrong with that.

But with the knowledgism technology these teams are composed partly of the entities that were once unconsciously bound to others.

Entities that may have been unconscious and completely other determined for quite a long time. Knowledgism, rather than completely freeing these entities, uses help and affinity to bind them into a team and then organizes them for purposes other than what the entity may have decided to do left to their own choices.

"Spiritual Teammates" could also be called subtlety enslaved entities. Yes a nice enslavement, affinity flows and all, but still, not completely free.

The purpose of developing these teams is the trap of thinking that power and dominion over material life it necessary to "win" the "game".

It is a trap of not seeing what freedom is, but rather trying to beat a game that is an illusion in the first place.

Power, control, sovereignty, are in themselves elements of separation from true freedom.

My opinion."


I do not believe it was discourteous.

Would you like to address the specific issue I brought up?

You answered with a general statement about the zones and teammates.

It seems from what I'm reading of your posts, Alex, you've not done any courses of Knowledgism, not done or had any Knowledgism processes. And not read Alan's book: "Who or What is Man? Who or What are You?"

ANd what I am seeing written by you is a blatant misrepresentation of the subject, what it is and what it does.

If you read the referenced book, and do, actually do, the spiritual teammate handling procedures, you'll see they in fact restore personal, individual sovereignty and freedom of choice back to the otherwise, currently unwittingly stuck and "aberrated" spiritual Beings . . . . as Alan states in that R/D: "some choose to 'leave' and some choose to 'stay with you.'"

Compare that to Hubbard's handling of spiritual connections wherein his R/D is akin to his abusive trick of "disconnection."

My spiritual teammates that have been given the benefit of the R/D are a bunch of happy campers, rather like a winning rugby team, all supporting each other in a common, understood cause, and enjoying the hell out of life.

So, before you show how either destructively prejudiced, or unethical you are, go do some courses and study the materials you are criticizing. That's the ethical and honest thing to do.

RogerB