Children Stolen by the Sea Org

[AliceWonderlandOut]

The church can not declare you on the grounds that you tell them your child isn't going to joing the SO.. them targeting underage kids and getting them to sign a contract is illegal in itself I believe.. the contract for sure is null and void.

One friend of mine, her daughter joined the S.O. at 16, they shipped her to LA she was I think from Detriot and the 16 year old called home a week later and told her mom to come get her. The mom got on a plane that day and went and got her child, she had to go through a little hell to get her but did it none the less, no declares just threats... F*&# COS.. they have no right to target our kids or any other children.. it's sickening...and parents NEED TO WAKE UP!!!

[Happy Days]

'Parents need to wake up' is an easy thing to say. However, having had given two daughters to the SO, thinking at the time I/we were doing the right thing is not an easy pill to swallow.

Unless, a parent or guardian has been in the situation of having children and being contacted by an SO member for the children to be enlightened by the SO recruiter and then watching as your very young child is taken from a teenager to 'saving the planet' crusader ... shit if I could turn back time...
alas I cannot ... and so parents thinking they are doing the right thing and realising that we have been viewing things through 'rose coloured glasses'....
Well walk in my shoes for awhile and then think .... what would you do???

Read my posts... hindsight is 100% accurate....

[Emma]

Bump for new readers.

[Arthur Dent]

Unbeknownst to me, my kid was being recruited for the sea org. But my kid knew you couldn't go in if you took acid.......

nice work.

Parents really brainwashed by the cult cannot really see their own kids' reality. There is always something wrong with their kid if their thinking doesn't align to the cult. Then the kid is a "problem" and become an ethics situation for the parent as it keeps being something that is "unresolved." That is a very big burden to put on a child. But we don't see it when we're in. Ya just can't.
Wake up parents! You're in a CULT. YES, you are!! That fact that you still say no I'm not is just part of the trap. Maybe some scn. parents will be reading this after the NYTimes article. Hope so.

[AnonKat]

I had two very good friends who were mothers of 13 year old girls.

Both of them were presented with a scenario where Sea Org Recruiters had contacted their minor children directly to get them interested in quitting school and joining the Sea Org. By the time their parents heard about it, the kids had already signed.

The parents were desperate. They were told - in one case by David Miscaige himself - that the kids would stay in Los Angelses and they could be visited any time.

In both cases the kids were shipped off to Flag in Florida and one even went to Europe to work in the RTC.

These mothers were desperate, and had been threatened with declare if they interfered.

This practice must stop.

I call that child abuse and child endangerment and human traficking.

[Enthetan]

At one point, I found myself realizing that they would want to recruit my kids at a young age, and I found the thought of this intolerable. It was a major contributing factor to my deciding that I had enough.

[Cherished]

Some of our kids born into the SO (or in the SO at a very young age because their parents joined it), are still carrying so much hurt and angst over what they missed out on, and over what they are still missing out on today. I'm not free to give specifics, but consider being in your early to mid 20's and still really hurting over the following:

- Being a littlie at 7 years old, and being "on post" after school.

- Being excited about "family time" (a promised visit from your parents), but then being disappointed because it didn't happen - Night after night till it did happen - Once a week, for maybe an hour.

- Being a little boy, wanting to run around, but going to a Scn school that didn't have a playground, then 'home' to 'post duties'.

- Getting into trouble for mucking around after school (while "on post"), at the grand old age of 7, and getting put on the decks for it.

- Missing out on "family time" altogether, due to being on the decks.

- In "lowers" (on the decks) time and time again without priviliges prior to the age of ten, for non-compliance on being a dedicated SO Cadet (no room for being a typical, happy active little boy or girl).

- From 7 to 14 and having no space nor free time to play or muck around.

- From a toddler to 14, only having one or two hours a week with your parents, as well as the odd day every couple of months when and if times were good.

- Being a little boy and not having the opportunity to muck around with a football, let alone the opportunity to be involved in organised sport.

- Being assigned to the Cadet Org RPF, before becoming a teenager.

- Having to comply to orders from 11 and 12 year old girls, and being subjected to their whims.

- Leaving school at 14 and officially joining the SO - the only thing you knew, and the only option if ya didn't want to go out and face the big bad world alone, without parents or family.

- Running on 'automatic', going with the flow, wanting to 'belong'.

- Busting out, being on one's own literally, and feeling like a failure.

- Having your parents disconnect from you, because you 'blew'.

- Feeling unloved by your parents. Hurting over the 'fact' that they chose the SO over being your parent when you were little, and that they chose to reject you for being a "failure" as an SO member.

- As a young adult, having a spouse/partner, who you can't even talk to about your life and your hurt, because they wouldn't or just couldn't understand.

- Having next to no-one to talk to about how you feel, including your parents.

- Hating Scn, but shutting up about the whole deal, in the faint hope that one day your parents will come to you, and love you.

The above is NOT exaggerated, and the majority of the points made are common to many of the young adults in our area, who we knew as bright little buttons/toddlers, in the mid to late eighties.

The hypocrisy.

[Mick Wenlock]

As evil as the church is for doing this. I blame the mothers for letting this happen. I don't care what the church does, declair or not, threat or not. You don't give up your chldren for anything or anyone. Yes you give up your eternity if that is what it takes.

wow, what an ignorant statement.

Not ignorant because it is wrong - it is not. It is ignorant because apparently you have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't have the time to check into your posts about yourself or your experiences with or in Scientology but the paragraph above shows that you do not appear to have any idea of the mindset of scientologists.

These women don't deserve to lose their children , but they need to understand what it means to be mothers. Letting your children join the sea org is the lowest responsibility level there is.

what a sweet and a wonderful and dumb thing to write. It is a great example of the post hoc out of context revisionist comment that gets made - Hubbard was brilliant at this too.

The two woman made a monumentally dumb decision there is no doubt about that, but once in Scientology there was no way for them to make correct decisions.

Fault them - and me and the rest of us - for getting in to the mindfuck in the first place. I will gladly join in your chorus of ridicule and condemnation. I earned it.

But don't then try the rhetorical trick of pulling apart everything from inside Scientology and the Sea Org and try to score points by pointing out how it does not measure up with normal behavior. Of course it does not.

"Grow a pair"? God, how pathetic.

Sorry for being pissed off at you concerning this.

The solutions for what has happened to those who either grew up in the SO with their praents or who were "recruited" at very early ages is a lot more complex than just mouthing platitudes.

[AnonKat]

What the poster before me said and for your education.

[Enthetan]

Allright.. How the fuck can you do that?

I'm talking to OSA or CoS employees/parishoners reading this Message Board. This thread in particular...

So, how the fuck can you do that? - Retain loyalty to Scientology.. You damned well know that what's said here is true..

Have you ever wondered how the fuck you can do that!!?

Effort?

How?

Bleh.. You and I know it's time to end the charade. One cannot keep it up.. If it's not true, then it's about the worst treasonous dirty lie humankind ever saw..

Scientology is an unsightly dramatization of fascist totalitarianism.

Humankind needs Scientology like tits on a canary!

How could the enforcers of other totalitarian ideologies do what they did? How could the Soviet Communists create a planned famine in the Ukraine which killed millions? Or send millions to die in Siberian gulags (concentration camps)? How could the Cambodian Communists kill millions of their own?

I'm talking about exerting REAL coercion: killing dissidents and their whole families, REAL torture to extract information.

Compared to them, what goes on in Scientology is insignificant, although still criminal.

So how did the torturers of other totalitarian groups stand what they were doing?

For some, they thought they were creating a better world , an eternally-lasting Ideal Scene (sound familiar?) and in furtherance of that goal inflicting some short-term suffering was acceptable.

For others, they were complete sociopaths who LIKED wielding power over others and inflicting suffering on them. And the system was rigged so that those who had no problem fucking over others as long as they got their product were promoted into positions of power.

The ONLY thing that stopped the Sea Org from descending into that level of ugliness was that the people at the top were unable to get into a position of power sufficient to be able to get away with it. DM got close, with his little empire at Int, be even he does not dare to go too far, too obviously. He is still vulnerable to United States law.

If Scn got a good foothold in some Third World country (like Haiti or some such), where they controlled the government behind the scenes and could have annoying people killed, look out.