What is Clear?

[Tanstaafl]

Well, I am struggling at understanding what KNOWINGNESS is under the thread THE MEST UNIVERSE.

As far as my viewpoint of THETAN and STATIC is concerned, I may refer you to this essay I wrote sometime back.

ZERO, ONE, INFINITY, AND GOD

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The higher the things we seek to discuss are on the scale, the more limited the use of words to communicate and the fruits of logic become. Willingness to experience becomes essential but then we are inhibited from this by case....Catch 22.

I'd like to come back to this, but I currently have enough on my plate trying to understand Clear.

Cheers

tanstaafl

[MarkWI]

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I could have made my point clearer. The abilities gained for each step on the Grade Chart are pretty impressive if you look at them as absolutes - which is how they are expressed. However, people seem to attest on a subjective rather than objective basis. If someone did the Grades and then went up to OTVIII I would expect them to still read on some Grade processes. As you get your anchor points further out you run into more stuff to confront. You cannot confront what is beyond your reality at the time you are processed.

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Interesting, I read a similar concept in the Super Scio book:

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We've got it backwards. The grades are the ultimate OT levels. They are what was really wrong in the first place. Nobody in Scientology has ever erased the basic material on these grades. Total cause over communications would include the ability to acknowledge a speeding bullet and have it vanish.

WHAT IS: All that other stuff on the upper levels is there to be audited out. But it's minor stuff. A mere distraction which is in the way of getting to the basics on the grades.

WHAT ISN’T: It is not practical to try and erase the grades at lower levels. People are nowhere near being able to reach the original problems, overts, etc. which they had when they were early god-like beings and which caused them to postulate their own downfall. They can't even visualize the multi-dimensional realities that had to be present early on. They are fixated on an Earth-like three dimensional existence and you can only expect so much of them. So the right approach would be to get a release on the grades (the basic aberrations), then fool around with all the other stuff to get it out of the way and raise the guy's awareness, and then get back to the grade materials and really erase them in the basic area of his past existence.
..." The Pilot

Mark

[Vinaire]

I haven't bothered to find out what the "Clear cog" is. But I do know that the point I felt totally clear was the point where I felt I could confront anything the case threw at me. I felt a curiosity to know what other O/W could be there on my case.

To sum it up, my clarity started with my total willingness to confront my case, from a point of view of total innocence and a willingness to take responsibility.

I continue to maintain that state.

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[Alanzo]

The definition I like is the one which parallels the computer, "A mind from which all the bugs have been removed." but it leaves to imagination the concept of an optimally operating mind.

I remember visiting the Patiala mission in India in the 90's. I had helped set it up in 1981. Up to that point it has been operating on its own without any interference from outside India. I was the first Clear the staff had seen. They were were curious.

I was asked, "What does it feel like being a clear?" I responded without any comm lag, "I can think clearly." They all laughed.

But, truly, that has always been my understanding. I have always thought naturally in terms of the ACTION DEFINITION (See, PDC Lecture 14, METHODS OF THINKING).

I may elaborate on it a little further as, "A Clear is one who can observe, analyze and conclude self-determinedly."

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I am Clear, too.

And yet my observations, my analysis and my self-determined conclusions are different than yours. On the same objective phenomena.

So if Clears are ones who can think clearly, how can two clears look at the same thing and see something different there?

And how can one Clear say there is no such thing as "Clear" as defined by Hubbard, and the other cling to his definition - if clear is as you say?

[Alanzo]

I haven't bothered to find out what the "Clear cog" is. But I do know that the point I felt totally clear was the point where I felt I could confront anything the case threw at me. I felt a curiosity to know what other O/W could be there on my case.

To sum it up, my clarity started with my total willingness to confront my case, from a point of view of total innocence and a willingness to take responsibility.

I continue to maintain that state.

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So Clear is a feeling that you could confront anything the case threw at you.

That's not how Hubbard ever defined this state.

[Tanstaafl]

Interesting, I read a similar concept in the Super Scio book:

"...
We've got it backwards. The grades are the ultimate OT levels. They are what was really wrong in the first place. Nobody in Scientology has ever erased the basic material on these grades. Total cause over communications would include the ability to acknowledge a speeding bullet and have it vanish.

WHAT IS: All that other stuff on the upper levels is there to be audited out. But it's minor stuff. A mere distraction which is in the way of getting to the basics on the grades.

WHAT ISN’T: It is not practical to try and erase the grades at lower levels. People are nowhere near being able to reach the original problems, overts, etc. which they had when they were early god-like beings and which caused them to postulate their own downfall. They can't even visualize the multi-dimensional realities that had to be present early on. They are fixated on an Earth-like three dimensional existence and you can only expect so much of them. So the right approach would be to get a release on the grades (the basic aberrations), then fool around with all the other stuff to get it out of the way and raise the guy's awareness, and then get back to the grade materials and really erase them in the basic area of his past existence.
..." The Pilot

Mark

Thanks for that Mark. It does make some kind of sense to me.

I have had some wins (not earth-shattering, but useful) by trying to imagine, having projected into a shared-universe for the first time, how my very first, ARC-X, eval, inval, overt, confusion, etc came about. I find it a useful exercise and, so far, not restimulative.

[Tanstaafl]

I haven't bothered to find out what the "Clear cog" is. But I do know that the point I felt totally clear was the point where I felt I could confront anything the case threw at me. I felt a curiosity to know what other O/W could be there on my case.

To sum it up, my clarity started with my total willingness to confront my case, from a point of view of total innocence and a willingness to take responsibility.

I continue to maintain that state.

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Vinaire, please do not interpret this as an invalidation.

Clear is the only point I know of on the Grade Chart that is a state and not an ability or freedom from. Ironically, it seems by far to be the most problematic for CoS to verify.

Just to clarify - are you saying that you attested to Clear but don't know the Clear Cog?

[Vinaire]

I am Clear, too.

And yet my observations, my analysis and my self-determined conclusions are different than yours. On the same objective phenomena.

So if Clears are ones who can think clearly, how can two clears look at the same thing and see something different there?

And how can one Clear say there is no such thing as "Clear" as defined by Hubbard, and the other cling to his definition - if clear is as you say?

REASON DEPENDS ON DATA.

WHEN DATA IS FAULTY THE ANSWER WILL BE WRONG AND LOOKED UPON AS UNREASONABLE. - LRH

We just have to compare the data we are operating on.

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[Vinaire]

So Clear is a feeling that you could confront anything the case threw at you.

That's not how Hubbard ever defined this state.

I know.

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[Vinaire]

Vinaire, please do not interpret this as an invalidation.

Clear is the only point I know of on the Grade Chart that is a state and not an ability or freedom from. Ironically, it seems by far to be the most problematic for CoS to verify.

Just to clarify - are you saying that you attested to Clear but don't know the Clear Cog?

Well, I have had my cogs, but I never asked anybody what the "Clear cog" is. Can you tell that to me?

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