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    Quote Originally Posted by SchwimmelPuckel View Post
    Well, Ladies.. I would never tell you if I could remoteview you in the shower! - You'd just start showering with your clothes on wouldn't you!?

    You've got the point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chowderhead View Post
    I am not sure I buy into abilities being limited by overts. This seems like more hubbardian kaka to me. It is a justification for the lack of abilities in OTs. It is also an Eval and inval. You cannot remote view therefore you have overts. Wasn't there a rule against making suppressive generalizations? Yet Hubbard made them constantly. All Homosexuals are 1.1. ...All Psychiatrists are evil.... The only reason people blow is overts. They were everywhere. Maybe I flunked remote viewing as a baby thetan. Or maybe I'm just not delusional....anymore.
    Ja ja ja ja. NO problem if you can't see a truth when it glows in front of you. You don't have to believe it. But you could make your own research and find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terril park View Post
    That abilities are limited by overts is by no means original with Hubbard.

    " Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone."

    So I'll go a bit squirrel on you know. Interpret and stuff.

    I'd say Jesus was saying that the ability to have compassion and
    forgiveness in part at least depends on looking at ones own transgressions.
    And that doing so helps one better understand the common bounds
    of our humanity. the brotherhood of man. Another ability.

    A personal story is that after my self elected FPRD I recovered intermittantly my ability to go ext at will. This was in a climate of a war with
    a C/S about whether I was clear or not. Incidently I won that war. Quite traumatic. Wish there had not been such a war. The ability to go ext at will was regained in childhood prior to any involvement in scientology.

    There is a danger in repudiating an idea merely because Hubbard stated it.
    One must decide for oneself the validity of the idea. By ones own observation.

    If inclined to be critical, one may take comfort that many consider Hubbard stole everything he ever said. Alan has documented some actual examples on this forum.

    But one must examine by true observation that which is true. Casting aside all predudice.

    The concensus seems that its not easy.
    Ja ja ja... and what if Sidartha said it first? or someone before him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon View Post
    Remote viewing is just another method of reaching out.

    Overts are a method of reaching out too.

    When a bloke (i.e. a "thetan") (a rude word on these pages) notices that his reaching out has caused harm he is inclined thereafter to not reach out. This is called shrinking.

    He sits at home and doesn't go out. Or he sits in his head and doesn't go out.

    By not reaching out he makes such fun activities as talking to strangers, dancing, having a great time at parties and remote viewing unavailable to himself.

    So cleaning up overts is a really good cure-all. And it's fun too!

    Boy, not everybody is sobing and crying in this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chowderhead View Post
    I wasn't trying to invalidate anyone's beliefs. I acknowledge the possibility of exteriorization. The problem is that there can be no true observation. I thought that I had gone exterior in the past but maybe I just wanted to so badly that I imagined it. I once saw an OT VIII named Mitch Tilevi (or something like that) give a presentation about the gains he made from the L's. At the time I was enthralled. He was telling us everything he could do and I was thinking to myself "Why doesn't he lift up that table with his telekinesis and show us what he can do?" Just then he said "Now I can lift up this table and make it levitate but that would be Out Reality for all of you so you wouldn't be able to see it." then I thought "Wow he read my mind!!" Did he? Or did he just pick up visual queues that I unintentionally gave him by looking at the table and then looking at him? I have had moments of telepathy myself. For instance when my wife starts a sentence but can't think of a word I can get a concept in my head of what she means and finish her sentence for her. Is that telepathy or am I just smart? I don't know the answers I am still searching for them. My problem was with the part about the overts mainly. If it were true that overts diminish ability then the people most likely to commit overts would be affected more quickly. That would mean that suppressives would be much less able than non-suppressives especially now after trillions of years of life. They would be unable to be at cause over anything and therefore unable to do anything to stop scientology from spreading much less become rich enough to dominate the planet. Yet according to scientology and Hubbard these are the people that are holding scientology backand the Psychs are controlling and poisoning everyone. The people he talked about in RJ67 are really running things on this planet yet they are suppressive. How is this possible?

    When you go exterior, time runs different. Don't expect Lord Rothschild to become a beggar just in one lifetime. Think he has some milenia being supressive. What does that mean? Maybe you have heavier overts than those of Lord Rothschild against Scientology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinjifar View Post
    So sorry; the 'benefits' of scientology are 'out reality' for me and, I just can't see them

    Apparently nobody can see them unless they've been 'trained' to see them. That and $2.50 will get you a small latte...

    Zinj
    Ja ja ja ja ja. Maybe everyone with atraction for the chiks has the ability...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon View Post
    Good point. I suspect the answer is that most of us (97.5%) are below the level of being really suppressive - that's why we go the effect of them. We are being "good" because we are too weak to really commit any decent overts.

    Reminds me of Alex Sibersky who was being harrangued by some no-hoper for all the things he'd done. Replied Alex: My overts create an effect. Yours never will.
    Right. And it could be that Lord Rothschild is fighting the "ugbugs" and you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
    I had a big clearout of Scn-related stuff before Xmas and I seem to have dumped it. I'll look again later when I have more time.

    I recall only Nelson Rockefeller, Mary Appleby, Brock Chisolm and Cecil King.




    The butcher of NY. Father of abortion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda View Post
    To be fair, I've "audited" people who've never heard of Scientology and, using parts of it selectively, have helped them.

    Believe it or not it can sometimes happen.

    In no small way that's because Scientology has taken so much from earlier sources.

    The basic function of "auditing" - in its most common sense and benign manifestation - does have something to offer.

    That said, as is no secret, I regard Scientology - over-all - as a trap.

    A little bit of Scientology can - sometimes - be beneficial; a lot of Scientology is usually a big mistake.

    Remote viewing has mixed results, and has proven not reliable for serious information gathering. Hubbard certainly didn't use it when he ran his private Intelligence (spy and covert attack) Network.

    A long time ago, I had a conversation with Ingo Swann. When we discussed the subject of (apparent) "out of body experience" during extreme lucid dreaming (being wide awake while 'dreaming'), and I asked him if he had any difficulties during such experiences, he's the only one to this day to answer, "Yes, telephone wires."

    For what it's worth, at the time, I was having the same problem. It wasn't until this peculiar difficulty during 'lucid dreaming' that I (in my body) went outside and looked up, and was startled to see the many telephone lines that stretched above me in all directions.

    Extreme lucid dreaming and other altered or alternate states of consciousness do occur, and can be amazingly vivid.

    When one returns to "normal" consciousness, these other states (or realms?) are often easily forgotten.

    That, I suppose, is the nature of "reality," and of consciousness.
    Nice to hear this viewpoint from you.

    I am currently reading Robert Monroes "Ultimate Journey".

    Read it lately?

    Thoughts?

    alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by scientologist1432 View Post
    When you go exterior, time runs different. Don't expect Lord Rothschild to become a beggar just in one lifetime. Think he has some milenia being supressive. What does that mean? Maybe you have heavier overts than those of Lord Rothschild against Scientology.
    Ok so you say time runs differently when you are exterior. What is the scientific basis for that assertion? Where is the proof that you have been exterior? Why haven't you claimed the million dollar reward? A million dollars can go along way and buy alot of WTH booklets. Its for the greatest good that you prove it. You could single handedly end the downward spiral of scientology if you just use your abilities to show the world that Hubbard was right after all and that we need to listen to him even if he did say he is lucifer.

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