John Travolta Ready to Blow?

[anonymousmaple]

This is the real deal on the Travolta's. It's been reported in mags and the media that John is staying secluded in one of their houses, mourning the loss of Jett. And this is interesting..... Kelly on the other hand is back to work, staying in Hollywood, and right back to Scientology and her role in the whole organization. Scientologists believe that death is just simply a person's dropping of their body and going on to a higher spiritual level.

So the reports that John Travolta leaving Scientology may be true, we just don't know yet. But it seems that Kelly doesn't agree with John's normal mourning process. He may actually be "waking up". I really hope he is. Kelly isn't. John still sees Ella regularly and seems only to be cheered up by seeing her. Somehow I see disconnection in their future and I really hope that Ella won't be caught in the middle.

What does everyone else know/think?

[KnightVision]

I don't think anybody has any 'hard signs' that John is one the fence.

It's just speculation and rumor.

Assumption is the mother of stupidity, at least to the degree that one starts believing something is true, or could be true... just because it would be convenient if it were so.

Departing from Sci in any major way is a very personal and difficult decision; Even though I have scant respect for the belief system itself- those who are engaged in it are first and foremost people; the right to sanctuary and privacy of one's inner reflections and thoughts is without prejudice.

[Anonycat]

It certainly would be a good career move, but who knows what's in his heart right now. I hope he does leave, for all the right reasons. They are many.

[SchwimmelPuckel]

<snip> Scientologists believe that death is just simply a person's dropping of their body and going on to a higher spiritual level. <snip>

Nope! - That's only for OT's.. People 'dropping their bodies' before they have bought the 'bridge' will go to implant stations (terrible places where you get hypnotized, implanted, to be a human slave again.. Stuck in a meat body)... A fate worse than death, you could say..

There's implant stations on Venus and Mars according to Hubbard..

[Kathy (ImOut)]

I noticed at the grocery store the other day, a magazine said they (The Travoltas) were splitting up. I almost bought the "rag", but decided not to. So I only got what was on the cover and can't even remember which "rag" it was.

[Thrak]

If JTs really as depressed as reported I could see miss Psych Buster getting fed up with it. "John he just dropped the bod get over it". Maybe he's got too much of a conscience to be a scientologist.

[Kathy (ImOut)]

If JTs really as depressed as reported I could see miss Psych Buster getting fed up with it. "John he just dropped the bod get over it". Maybe he's got too much of a conscience to be a scientologist.

Also, years and years ago he lost his older girlfriend to cancer. Maybe that death was never truly grieved/handled, etc. So now he's in major "restim" on death.

I know just seeing my dad four days before he died, totally and completely reminded me of my mom before she died. And they were in totally different conditions before dying. My dad could not talk anymore. Where my mom was still able to talk.

[Thrak]

Also, years and years ago he lost his older girlfriend to cancer. Maybe that death was never truly grieved/handled, etc. So now he's in major "restim" on death.

I know just seeing my dad four days before he died, totally and completely reminded me of my mom before she died. And they were in totally different conditions before dying. My dad could not talk anymore. Where my mom was still able to talk.

That's just purely speculation on my part but the fact that he was really shaken by this means he hasn't lost his soul unlike Bruce Wiseman and some of the other REAL scio parents you read about here and there. I feel for him that much more.

[anonymousmaple]

As far as I know the "dropping your body" concept is widely known. It's the main reason why they don't have funerals (unless you're a celebrity). It also is LRH's way of replacing the need for psychologists/therapists when dealing with someone's death. Instead, you are to be "happy" and "pleased" that this person has moved on. Most of his tech was written with the purpose of replacing the need for psychs and that he had found ways to "fix" those people with mental illness or what have you. There is no way in Scientology to deal with the death of someone close to you.

When Gregor died I found no obituary in any paper in Clearwater and out. I also searched and called every cemetary in the area and around it and found no record of him ever having a funeral with them or being buried. Michael R. Wisner (Gregor's Narconon touting father) wanted nothing to do with it. Eventually I found out that a small gathering occurred, organized by Gregor's mom, at a beach just inside Clearwater. They put his ashes in the ocean. Actually, that was fitting...but again...no formal gathering, no funeral, no notice or obituary letting people know that he has passed.

Celebrities as you know are allowed many things that the average Scientologist is not. And, the Celebs have no idea what really goes on as they are shielded from all the questionable practices of the main Scientology group.

[SchwimmelPuckel]

I must insist.. Just for OT's!

The purpose of 'The Bridge' is to make you capable, as a spirit, to avoid going to the implant stations! - Although I haven't seen in writing precisely what level of OT is needed to be sure you can do it..

Without this 'spiritual' ability you will willy nilly be 'sucked' into the implant stations and be subjected to abominable implanting of.. What, I'm not sure..

So.. In both cases, you will reincarnate..

If dying and 're-implanted' at the Mars implant station you will be born again with your mind erased.. 'Seemingly' having never lived before... Same as every year James..

If dying with OT ability to go where you decide yourself, you will reincarnate with full memory of your past lifetime. Already mastering the language and having a full education as an automechanic (If that was your job before). And being fully aware who your kids are, so you can go reclaim their inheritance... Lots of possibilities..

Hmm.. Yeah. And the Sinister Scam Cult of Scientology expects you to return to the Sea Org at 20 your years birthday to serve again.. (Fat chance!)

Ok, so with all that. It's still true that scientologists make a death into some sort of happy event.. Nothing of particular importance.. The spirit is free and being reborn.. no big deal.

In fact I think they are deliberatly ignoring their own doctrine. A guy who dies before he has reached OT is in for all the bad stuff that 'The Bridge' is there to handle. The reason that it's soo bloody important to handle your 'case' is just that.. So you can avoid being implanted and made to continue the 'meat body on earth' game.

Hubbard talks a lot about the 'dwindeling' spiral. This is the degradation of the 'being' in the endless life and death cycle.

Consider this:

In this time and in this place
- for possibly just a little while,
we have this chance.
To go free and to make it.
Planets and cultures are frail things.
They do not endure.
I cannot promise you that you will make it.
I can only provide the knowledge to give you your chance.
The rest is up to you.

L. Ron Hubbard
Founder

All which makes me wonder why scientologists thinks death is no big deal..

But of course.. They are religiously opposed to be 'downtone'.. So be happy, don't worry... And besides.. The guy died! - That's downstat and a 'bad indicator'.. You'd never reward a downstat, and especially not by 'sympathising' with a dead guy!

Perish the thought!