Quantum Mark VII

[Feral]

I've examined the schematics. It would be interesting to know from a regular e-meter user if they got some gel electrodes from the drug store and used those instead of holding cans if they noticed any difference. In my opinion most of the needle movement comes from your hands/cans/pressure.

Then you haven't used one. I thought not.

The meter is part of a scam, that's true. Pity you don't understand the complexity of it.

A lot of Anons oversimplify the CofS down to Xenu/sci fi and the 'lie detector'/e-meter.

This is where they miss the boat, the scam isn't that simple, if it were even Anon Orange could have solved the CofS by now.

Exes spend years working out *how* they were scammed, this is why they correctly disregard things like the two anons in the video, those guys weren't even close, despite their admiration for their own brilliance in debunking the meter.

Legends, they were, in there own minds.

[Mark A. Baker]

Uh, I'd love to see the technical and the spiritual approach find common grounds, but I doubt it'll ever happen...

Actually the "common ground" is blatantly obvious, lifeforms. They are however amazingly complex, both as mechanical structures as well as manifestations of spirit.


Mark A. Baker

[Dulloldfart]

In my opinion most of the needle movement comes from your hands/cans/pressure.

Look at some of my videos with fingertip electrodes, currently linked in my signature. Most of the C-meter ones use them. No hands, no cans, no obvious pressure changes.

Paul

[marty]

That site is not as wrong as you make out. The site is clearly talking about mains, which in terms of electric shock capability is effectively infinitely capable.

Protection trips (Residual Current Breakers; Residual Current Circuit Breakers) often trip out at 30mA. A mains circuit can easily supply say 5000mA, depending on the fuse fitted. The site is saying that 110V mains is safer than 240V mains in terms of electric shock hazard, and that is totally correct.

Voltage IS important because low voltage can't drive enough current to cause a problem. If you short-circuit a 1.2V NiMH cell ("battery") you can probably get >2000mA. However the 1.2V cell ("battery") poses NO SHOCK HAZARD.

Voltages have to be up above about 30V before electrical safety standards start worrying about shock. (You can get arc/flash damage though , but that is a separate subject.)

Electricians are such namby pambies these days... back in the fifties they were real men (though short lived).

7th Edition 1953 McGraw-Hill:
MEASURING, TESTING, AND INSTRUMENTS
154. Electricians often test circuits for the presence of voltage by
touching the conductors with the fingers.
This method is safe where the voltage does not exceed 250 and is
often very convenient for locating a blown-out fuse or for ascertaining
whether or not a circuit is alive. Some men can endure the electric
shock that results without discomfort whereas others cannot.
Therefore, the method is not feasible in some cases. Which are the
outside wires and which is the neutral wire of a 115/230-volt, threewire
system can be determined in this way by noting the intensity of
the shock that results by touching different pairs of wires with fingers.
Use the method with caution and be certain that the voltage of the
circuit does not exceed 250 before touching the conductors.

[Mark A. Baker]

Electricians are such namby pambies these days... back in the fifties they were real men (though short lived).

In other words, they used to write textbooks on how to electrocute employees and denigrate those who wouldn't submit.


Mark A. Baker

[MrNobody]

<snip>
154. Electricians often test circuits for the presence of voltage by
touching the conductors with the fingers.
<snip>

Well, I did use this method a couple of times when there was no diagnostic tool available, and I'm still alive ... I guess. But there are some live wires that I definitely wouldn't recommend to touch. Especially the ones that come before the circuit breakers.

[archetypes]

Well, at least I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject.

Considering the e-meter was used in various self help scams by it's original creator Volney Mathison (yes hubbard also stole that) I don't see why it would require further investigation before I would come to the conclusions that it's quackery.

I'm sure some of you like to think that years of SCIENTOLOGY training made you some kind of expert, but it didn't in the real world there is no scientology diploma.

Here are the things that make me come to these conclusions:

[snipped for brevity]

I love my new Clarity e-meter -- a great little device for helping me to know when to continue a process and when to stop and/or change over to another process, end of session, etc. After 200 hours auditing Hubby without one, albeit using a simpler process, I can see how judiciously using an e-meter helps me to know where to go with the pc. It's a timesaver and it prevents me from getting someone mired even more deeply into their case.

It's funny because I do have wholetrack history of misusing e-meters which I had to clear before I could even consider using one. That plus receiving auditing where the e-meter was being used to help me dissolve my own case.

[Noetics]

I have 3 quantums to sell if anybody wants them. Not currently in cert. All with cans. 1 solo arm.

How much are you asking for each meter?

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Why don't you sell them on ebay? A mark 7 quantum with goes for about a grand and one with a remote goes for $1400

http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_saca...mplete=1&rt=nc