Quantum Mark VII

[archetypes]

Here's Zinj, the GSR expert guy who refuses to answer simple questions.

The hypothesis was VERY clear from day one: "The meter does not measure changes in the body, such as body mass density changes postulated by LRH, but rather, the meter is mostly affected by grip and sweat on the cans" That was VERY clearly proven by Paul's experiments.

Hypothesis is no longer. It's now call a fact:

The e-meter is bullshit.

In my sessions with Hubby I am learning to get his e-meter reads telepathically, which means I hold the cans and watch his personal indicators at the same time I am reading the needle movement. When his personal indicators are good the needle corresponds. Until I am Clear I won't be getting all the reads from him because I notice when the reads I am getting are mine and when they are his.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, just saying what I am getting out of it personally and how it is working for me. Funny thing, though, about 530 million years ago I rigged an e-meter to electrocute my now sweet Hubby, lol.

It's funny how these sorts of acts come back to haunt one, lol.

[tookmeawhile]

It's not a matter of belief. The hypothesis was confirmed by experiment that most of the meter's movement (~95%) is caused by grip and sweat of the hands to the cans. An auditor (no matter how well trained) will NOT be able to differentiate body response from hand / can effects.

I'm sorry but your "experiment" is crap. You just don't have a clue about the meter, meter reads and the whole subject. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing - just your viewpoint in these matters lacks real scio experience. I'm not sure if the movement is as hubbard said but grip and sweat isn't what it's about. Almost any slightly trained scio will tell you that. I've spent many, many hours doing meter drills and auditing (both as PC and auditor). Do a frickin' pinch test. I am NOT an advocate of the emeter nor scio but grip and sweat? That's not even close.

[AnonOrange]

In my sessions with Hubby I am learning to get his e-meter reads telepathically, which means I hold the cans and watch his personal indicators at the same time I am reading the needle movement. When his personal indicators are good the needle corresponds. Until I am Clear I won't be getting all the reads from him because I notice when the reads I am getting are mine and when they are his.

You are a very confused lady, but you're not alone. We have proven through Paul's tests that the meter needle movement have nothing to do with what you're thinking and it certainly, none of it is transferred telepathically.

Did you know that NONE of the telepathic experiments that have been attempted under PROPER, CONTROLLED conditions have never worked?

There's a $1,000,000 prize available if you can do telepathy. Be my guest.

[alex]

It's not a matter of belief. The hypothesis was confirmed by experiment that most of the meter's movement (~95%) is caused by grip and sweat of the hands to the cans. An auditor (no matter how well trained) will NOT be able to differentiate body response from hand / can effects.

Beliefs are thoughts without factual basis. Instead we simply saw that the facts confirmed the theory.

At a very basic level, this is how science is done. It's amazing to me that nobody in the last 50 years tried to isolate out the hand/can interface to see what the meter really measures.

That you had a ration of 95% grip/sweat to 5% actual read is not proof of anything. (well maybe sloppy protocol... )

A more accurate method to investigate how the meter reads would be to use GSR electrodes which are applied with a conductive gel and would eliminate sweat and grip as a factor. I have been hooked up to a logging GSR with such in a lab before. Testing precognition. By the guy who ran the CIA's experiments. I wasnt gripping nor sweating. (I was though in a statistically relevant manner, predicting future events....)

[AnonOrange]

I'm sorry but your "experiment" is crap. You just don't have a clue about the meter, meter reads and the whole subject. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing - just your viewpoint in these matters lacks real scio experience. I'm not sure if the movement is as hubbard said but grip and sweat isn't what it's about. Almost any slightly trained scio will tell you that. I've spent many, many hours doing meter drills and auditing (both as PC and auditor). Do a frickin' pinch test. I am NOT an advocate of the emeter nor scio but grip and sweat? That's not even close.

I am THE world expert on the E-Meter. Nobody on this board or in scientology understands it better than I. (At this time)

I'm not trying to troll or brag.

It's just that you have to understand that most of the needle movement is caused by grip/sweat and it's been proven. By improving the quality of the contact between the hands and the cans, the E-Meter pretty much stopped reading anything. In other words, it was incapable of reading body effects, if left at the same sensitivity as when the hands were dry. This is huge.

Once you understand and accept that, you will also be able to claim that you really are an expert on the E-Meter. Any prior knowledge you have gained though scientology courses, thousands of hours of auditing is wasted. You were fooled by randomness and unrelated effects. Sorry.

Watch Paul's experiment here: (Read my comments below)


Have we derailed another thread into another E-Meter debate?

[AnonOrange]

A more accurate method to investigate how the meter reads would be to use GSR electrodes which are applied with a conductive gel and would eliminate sweat and grip as a factor. I have been hooked up to a logging GSR with such in a lab before. Testing precognition. By the guy who ran the CIA's experiments. I wasnt gripping nor sweating. (I was though in a statistically relevant manner, predicting future events....)

Conductive gel is good. Anything to improve the contact quality will LESSEN the reading the meter has on the body (at the same sensitivity).

Precognition is bullshit, but that's another thread.

[alex]

I am THE world expert on the E-Meter. Nobody on this board or in scientology understands it better than I. (At this time)

I'm not trying to troll or brag.

It's just that you have to understand that most of the needle movement is caused by grip/sweat and it's been proven. By improving the quality of the contact between the hands and the cans, the E-Meter pretty much stopped reading anything. In other words, it was incapable of reading body effects, if left at the same sensitivity as when the hands were dry. This is huge.

Once you understand and accept that, you will also be able to claim that you really are an expert on the E-Meter. Any prior knowledge you have gained though scientology courses, thousands of hours of auditing is wasted. You were fooled by randomness and unrelated effects. Sorry.

Watch Paul's experiment here: (Read my comments below)


Have we derailed another thread into another E-Meter debate?

As I have said several times before, the meter is reading more than just the body.

Pauls experiment shows that the meter reads differently if the cans are in water. Why is not established. This does not affect the validity of the claims of scientologists as having cans in water is not part of our practice.

Your understanding of some arcane reactions of the meter is not relevant to how scientologists use it.

I can tell you that gelled electrodes do measure something, and I doubt it is grip or sweat.

[Zinjifar]

Here's Zinj, the GSR expert guy who refuses to answer simple questions.

The hypothesis was VERY clear from day one: "The meter does not measure changes in the body, such as body mass density changes postulated by LRH, but rather, the meter is mostly affected by grip and sweat on the cans" That was VERY clearly proven by Paul's experiments.

Hypothesis is no longer. It's now call a fact:

The e-meter is bullshit.

That's a pretty stupid hypothesis, but then, you're an idiot

Zinj

[Panda Termint]

That's a pretty stupid hypothesis, but then, you're an idiot

Zinj

Man, you gotta love ESMB!!! On one thread I'm disagreeing with you and on the next thread I'm in full agreement! :D

[CaptainAdderall]

I am THE world expert on the E-Meter. Nobody on this board or in scientology understands it better than I. (At this time)

I'm not trying to troll or brag.

It's like you are begging Anonymous and critics to hate you more. I stayed out of your drama IRL, IRC, on WWP....
Stop bringing it to other places. Comments like that are only going to piss off anybody (whether they be critics, ex-scientologists, or scientologists lurking here) who reads it... and potentially close their mind to critical thinking due to annoyance and irritation.
...but thats just my opinion.

It's not that hard to make an e-meter. Made one with an ohm meter and radio shack supplies.