Quantum Mark VII

[programmer_guy]

Also, for the record,

Anons last year, before AO went hellbent on the e-meter because it was simple enough for him to understand.

1. That video simply shows the results of one type of body movement. Any of us ex's already know that... we were trained on it. Yes, that is true.

2. If AnonOrange wants to argue against the SCN belief of "mental mass" impinging on the body so as to change the mass of the body THEN I have no disagreement with that. IMO, the SCN teachings on that are hogwash and I agree with AnonOrange on that particular point.

3. AnonOrange has also mentioned ideomotor and admits to GSR (but then seems to deny it sometimes).

[AnonShaw]

1. That video simply shows the results of one type of body movement. Any of us ex's already know that... we were trained on it. Yes, that is true.

2. If AnonOrange wants to argue against the SCN belief of "mental mass" impinging on the body so as to change the mass of the body THEN I have no disagreement with that. IMO, the SCN teachings on that are hogwash and I agree with AnonOrange on that particular point.

3. AnonOrange has also mentioned ideomotor and admits to GSR (but then seems to deny it sometimes).

I dont claim to be an expert on the subject, but from my understanding, it is simply a very easy to build, crude electronic device, a very toned down version of a lie detector if you will.

I would tend to call quackery on it since no scientific proof were provided of it's efficiency and it is forced by the law to be labelled a religious device.

Anyone who is used to seeing quackery can figure that out pretty easily without having recourse to lenghty explanations and debate imo, given the context that he's not in the cult and constantly bombarded with hubbard.

[Operating DB]

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[programmer_guy]

I dont claim to be an expert on the subject, but from my understanding, it is simply a very easy to build, crude electronic device, a very toned down version of a lie detector if you will.

Yep. I have been saying this very thing all along.

I would tend to call quackery on it since no scientific proof were provided of it's efficiency and it is forced by the law to be labelled a religious device.

I'm not sure what you mean by "quackery". And a scientific proof of what?
Would you explain a little more what you mean?

[Feral]

Also, for the record,

Anons last year, before AO went hellbent on the e-meter because it was simple enough for him to understand.

We saw this video when it came out. It was cross posted by Alanzo.

These guys have discovered that the OHM meter known as the electro-psycho meter has a needle that responds to the degree of contact made with the human body it is connected to. That was basic and good observation, but I hate to say, we knew and had been drilled extensively in reading through this phenomenon.

The true genius of these two is shown when they conclude that is all it does, are these guys AO's students?

Seriously, you guys are doing a good job exposing the crimes of the CofS, also there is much wrong with the philosophy and practice of scientology. But you are missing the boat big time with this line of reasoniing.

AO needs to remove his head from his arse and get a proper demonstration of the device, in person with a very patient critic, then he will be well informed enough about it to point out it's many faults.

Until then he sounds like someone arguing that travel to the moon was impossible, because they left in the daytime when the moon wasn't in the sky.

His argument is that clever.

[Ted]

Here's Zinj, the GSR expert guy who refuses to answer simple questions.

The hypothesis was VERY clear from day one: "The meter does not measure changes in the body, such as body mass density changes postulated by LRH, but rather, the meter is mostly affected by grip and sweat on the cans" That was VERY clearly proven by Paul's experiments.

Hypothesis is no longer. It's now call a fact:

The e-meter is bullshit.

Yep. And you will do best to keep your mouth shut during the trial.

[Ted]

Mental activity will not affect the meter. That's what I'm telling you.

Of course you have to have a proper body contact to do that, either by the veins, skin patches with conductive cream or with the cans underwater.

You are mentally defective. That's what the people are telling you.

[ULRC/S]

Hey AO,
In another e-meter thread, you suggested that Red Bull cans would be the perfect thing for thre e-meter.

Finally bought one, and you're full of ****.

The size is fine, but it's TOTALLY non conductive - 100% paint/laquer covered, except for the endcaps, which are real hard to grasp with the hands.

Doesn't say much for your "research".

Regards, Allen

[RogerB]

Hey AO,
In another e-meter thread, you suggested that Red Bull cans would be the perfect thing for thre e-meter.

Finally bought one, and you're full of ****.

The size is fine, but it's TOTALLY non conductive - 100% paint/laquer covered, except for the endcaps, which are real hard to grasp with the hands.

Doesn't say much for your "research".

Regards, Allen

Allen is correct.

Lots of food/booze cans are non-conductive due either to being covered with lacquer or because they are aluminium versus having a tin coating. Note that iron and steel are not good conductors . . . it's the tin coating that does the job.

RogerB

[Dulloldfart]

Note that iron and steel are not good conductors . . . it's the tin coating that does the job.

A book I just Googled (Metallurgy of Cast Iron by Thomas D. West) gives the following relative values for electrical conductivity:

Silver 100
Tin 11.45
Iron 14.44
Steel (blank)
Lead 7.77

The table also gives figures for heat conductance, with those metals ranking in the same order, which is why I placed steel where it is even though the figure is blank. Maybe it's blank because steel isn't an element and the properties vary depending on what's in it.

Paul