RPF

[Krysti]

I've read a lot of experiences of people who were sent to the RPF.

What I'm wondering though is what did people not in the RPF think about it?

Did you feel sorry for the people? Did you think they must be evil? Did you think 'What kind of an organization am I a part of that could do that to their own people?".

I'm just wondering why that wasn't enough to make people want out of the CofS.

The curious one,

Krysti

[Little Bear Victor]

I've read a lot of experiences of people who were sent to the RPF.

What I'm wondering though is what did people not in the RPF think about it?

Did you feel sorry for the people? Did you think they must be evil? Did you think 'What kind of an organization am I a part of that could do that to their own people?".

I'm just wondering why that wasn't enough to make people want out of the CofS.

The curious one,

Krysti

This may not be a very in-depth analysis, but when in the SO, you certainly consider the RPF the "outcasts" who are there as their last hope in making it in the SO. What I've seen, it is generally considered that the people who end up there deserved it by their own actions (like it is with everything that goes wrong with a person in Scientology: "You only have yourself to blame").

It is also used as a deterrent to continuing a certain behavior pattern (such as criticism) as in "that'll get you RPF'd." For DM, the same threat is a way to get more production squeezed out from SO members who already think they're doing everything possible. Most RPF assignments on the Int base are done by DM. People "on his side" are quick to deny it but it nevertheless is true.

It may deter people from joining the SO. I don't think it would get people to leave Scientology -- except if you happen to read about it on ARS, which gives you a pretty unflattering picture of the worst practices in Scn.

V

[Voltaire's Child]

I've read a lot of experiences of people who were sent to the RPF.

What I'm wondering though is what did people not in the RPF think about it?

Did you feel sorry for the people? Did you think they must be evil? Did you think 'What kind of an organization am I a part of that could do that to their own people?".

I'm just wondering why that wasn't enough to make people want out of the CofS.

The curious one,

Krysti

I didn't hear about it til I got on the internet. It wasn't discussed much in CofS.

The only mention I'd heard was about punishment detail and that was ONCE.

What truly goes on in the RPF isn't fully disclosed to members unless they are in the process of undergoing it or work there.

So it did not seem like a big deal until I read numerous accounts of what really occurred.

What I'm trying to say, Krysti, is that there's a big difference between someone knowing the full extent of the thing and still turning a blind eye and someone who doesn't say anything about it because they've heard little or nothing about it.

[Krysti]

Got it!

Thanks for the replies.

[Flyonthewall]

I definitely thought that those on the RPF screwed up on post and generally I'd have read the posting that told of their "screwups". I was hoping that they'd get better and graduate and become a productive SO member. I definitely wouldn't try and ignore them and would say hello, good morning or whatever when in passing. Common courtesies. Others reacted differently. The only person who I didn't treat right as I recall, was Michael Silverman when he got sent to the RPF, I always thought he was arrogant in my dealings with him he was never a pleasant person to me.

While I was doing Reno's for the SO on their Hollywood Guarantee Building I instituted a pizza lunch every week in gratitude for their help.

CB

[Zinjifar]

I definitely thought that those on the RPF screwed up on post and generally I'd have read the posting that told of their "screwups". I was hoping that they'd get better and graduate and become a productive SO member. I definitely wouldn't try and ignore them and would say hello, good morning or whatever when in passing. Common courtesies. Others reacted differently. The only person who I didn't treat right as I recall, was Michael Silverman when he got sent to the RPF, I always thought he was arrogant in my dealings with him he was never a pleasant person to me.

While I was doing Reno's for the SO on their Hollywood Guarantee Building I instituted a pizza lunch every week in gratitude for their help.

CB

No doubt Chuck Beatty's 8 years on the RPF for wanting to leave would count as a 'screw up' ;)

Zinj

[Flyonthewall]

I just want to clarify that I put "screwups" in quotes for a reason and I was trying to give a viewpoint from the eyes of one ex so member of how I remember looking and feeling about RPFers while being in the SO.

I personally now look at RPFers as a slave workforce that needs government intervention.

CB

[Zinjifar]

I just want to clarify that I put "screwups" in quotes for a reason and I was trying to give a viewpoint from the eyes of one ex so member of how I remember looking and feeling about RPFers while being in the SO.

I personally now look at RPFers as a slave workforce that needs government intervention.

CB

Didn't mean to be (too) harsh CB

What I see as the problem is the 100% Standard Scientology Scripture of 'responsibility for your own condition'.

Whether it's an asteroid falling on your head or a bug-shit-crazy Cult locking you away.. you *must* have 'pulled it in'.

Zinj

[Div6]

I just want to clarify that I put "screwups" in quotes for a reason and I was trying to give a viewpoint from the eyes of one ex so member of how I remember looking and feeling about RPFers while being in the SO.

I personally now look at RPFers as a slave workforce that needs government intervention.

CB

I have to suppress a guffaw on your last statement....which government?
I can't think of a single one that is not actively suppressing or making slaves out of their own populace....

But I do agree that the RPF is an abomination, and should be abolished, or at least made humane. Along with the Chinese dissident camps, the russian gulags, and the US underclass. One aspect of the 4th dynamic dramatization IS making others wrong for any reason whatsoever....

[Voltaire's Child]

Well, my government, imperfect though it is (there are no perfect governments, there are no utopias. governments are made up of people.) has repeatedly intervened in cult affairs and in other venues such as slave trafficking.

Yes, they often do so ham handedly. They often mess up. They do pick their battles. But they -and a number of other governments- do quite a bit regardless.

So it's not an entirely unreasonable hope that any even quasi semi sometimes reasonable Western government - and maybe some Eastern ones- would intervene someday...The SO would be a great candidate for that.