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Since the "records" are so super secret, maybe they contain the levels above OT
The records have probably turned to schidt just like anything associated with this vile non-human Lips Hubbard.
It would seem to be common sense that if a Jap Sub had been sunk in the
previously stated (at an event) mouth of the Columbia River that it would out
of curiousity been found and dived on many times if not actually raised and
put on display.
Otherwise I can believe the story, as LRH would never exaggerate a story.
The actual route to be free and return all of your true spiritual operating abilities is a total positiveness and the ability to forgive all (you too) for everything done and accept each being as you find them. In granting full beingness to yourself and others you will have ability to stop resisting the negative, which in turn assures that your full beautiful powers and abilities will bear fruit.
"There is one coward on Earth and that is the coward that dare not know." >W.E.B. DuBois
Here's another that contains scans of documents:
On the matter of the use of the term "hater" by "Independent Scientologists," have you told Marty Rathbun and Geir Isene that "hater" is a "Miscavology" term? The term is used by both of them.
They really should stick with tried and true Scientological Hubbardisms, such as SP, DB, etc.; however, the use of "hater" is an application of Hubbard's Standard Propaganda Tech which instructs that 'public' be surveyed to determine what they dislike or hate and, whatever that is, that Scientology's "enemies" be identified with that. These days, with "hate crime" laws becoming common, there is particular public dislike of the term "hater" and "hate crime," thus, Marty Rathbun and Geir Isene are applying LRH's Scientology tech, not Miscavige tech.
There seems to be some confusion between the, "It's past, it's historical, it's unimportant. Come up to present time!"-Independent Scientologists and the Independent Scientologists who continue to defend Hubbard's mostly fabricated 'biographies'.
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From the 1951 "Retraction":
"I, Sara Northrup Hubbard, do hereby state that the things I have said about L. Ron Hubbard in courts and the public prints have been grossly exaggerated or entirely false. I have not at any time believed otherwise than that L. Ron Hubbard was a fine and brilliant man."
Fourteen years later, L. Ron Hubbard wrote in his 1965 'My Philosophy':
"Blinded with injured optic nerves, and lame with physical injuries to the hip and back, at the end of World War II, I faced an almost nonexistent future. My service record stated: 'This officer has no neurotic or psychotic tendencies of any kind whatsoever', but it also stated 'permanently disabled physically'."
In the words of Judge Breckenridge:
"The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements. The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egotism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile.
"At the same time it appears that he is charismatic and highly capable of motivating, organizing, controlling, manipulating, and inspiring his adherents. He was referred to during the trial as a 'genius', a 'revered person', a man who was 'viewed by his followers with awe'.
Shortly before we sunk him we accidentally trained once on our other beam and picked up a second sub complete with screw noise, Doppler, etc."
I would submit the whole affair is bogus becuause of the word DOPPLER. Not even contemplated in WW II
"Sometimes nuthin is a real cool hand." -- Cool Hand Luke (Paul Newman)
"A friend is someone who knows the song in your heart and can sing it back to you when you have forgotten the words." CS Lewis
I'd more inclined to disbelieve, just because so much else about Hubbard was exaggerated...
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