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    Default What would you have Aaron Saxton do?

    Straight up, I am not Aaron Saxton's keeper anymore than he is mine. He is his own man, and is setting his own direction. Chances are that he may not like this post of mine, but like Aaron, I also do what I want to do or what I think should be done, a lot of the time.

    - It has been suggested that Aaron is angry. Well of course he is bloody angry! He is angry at fellows from the past, he is angry at what the CofS is getting away with, and who is anybody to judge that he is not MOST angry at himself?

    - It has been suggested that Aaron needs to find love in his heart for the victims of his actions. WTF? Who is anyone to judge that he has not, and why would they make that judgement? WTF do you think has been driving him to do what he is doing? I'll tell you......it's the love in his heart!

    - It has been suggested that he goes find his victims and see what would be needed to make up the damage to them personally. WTF? What on earth do you think Aaron is doing now? How exactly do you suggest that he makes up that damage?

    - It has been suggested that Aaron needs to sort himself out...Well who the bloody hell doesn't need to do that, and how exactly would you suggest that it be done? For someone in Aaron's position, what better way is there to sort through this stuff, than by getting out there big time to do everything and anything possible in an effort to right the wrongs, just like he is doing?

    - It has been suggested that Aaron has not put himself at risk, by coming out the way he has........Well, that's just ignorance!

    Other things have been suggested, but I don't feel inclined to repeat them.

    This "game" many of us are playing, is not about what was done to us, nor about feeling sorry for ourselves, nor about wanting retribution for Betty Sue who lives in Timbucktoo! It's about exposing the CofS and Scientology for what it is, and preventing people from being harmed in the future. A few maybe need to get their head out of their ass on this one, stop being selfish, and look at the bigger picture.

    While I don't agree with every action Aaron has taken in the last month or so, he has been moving mountains with what he has been doing. He is giving his life to this, and at a huge personal cost. He is hurting, but he is putting that hurt aside to do everything and anything he can to make things right.

    Because of his history, is he damned forever? Should he just crawl into a hole and be sorry, and propitiate, and beat himself up constantly? Or would it be better that he actually DO something about it? For those few who want to judge him on his recent actions, what should he be doing if not what he is doing?

    To me, what he is doing now is admirable and he has more weight on his shoulders right now than anyone I know, because of what he is doing. And for the record, what you may see on the net is only a small part of what he has been up to these last few months.

    How dare anyone try and stick the knife into him, at this time, for what he has done in the past. Yes, Aaron has adversely affected many lives. By his own admission he was an evil prick to many. However, what he is doing now is everything he can do, to blow the lid off the CofS, and for that he should be supported.......not have salt put into his wounds.

    To those who choose to be "upset" with Aaron, over what he has done in the past, I'd suggest you go be "upset" somewhere else - Right now, it's not relevant, and it certainly doesn't assist our current endeavour!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmel View Post
    Straight up, I am not Aaron Saxton's keeper anymore than he is mine. He is his own man, and is setting his own direction. Chances are that he may not like this post of mine, but like Aaron, I also do what I want to do or what I think should be done, a lot of the time.

    - It has been suggested that Aaron is angry. Well of course he is bloody angry! He is angry at fellows from the past, he is angry at what the CofS is getting away with, and who is anybody to judge that he is not MOST angry at himself?

    - It has been suggested that Aaron needs to find love in his heart for the victims of his actions. WTF? Who is anyone to judge that he has not, and why would they make that judgement? WTF do you think has been driving him to do what he is doing? I'll tell you......it's the love in his heart!

    - It has been suggested that he goes find his victims and see what would be needed to make up the damage to them personally. WTF? What on earth do you think Aaron is doing now? How exactly do you suggest that he makes up that damage?

    - It has been suggested that Aaron needs to sort himself out...Well who the bloody hell doesn't need to do that, and how exactly would you suggest that it be done? For someone in Aaron's position, what better way is there to sort through this stuff, than by getting out there big time to do everything and anything possible in an effort to right the wrongs, just like he is doing?

    - It has been suggested that Aaron has not put himself at risk, by coming out the way he has........Well, that's just ignorance!

    Other things have been suggested, but I don't feel inclined to repeat them.

    This "game" many of us are playing, is not about what was done to us, nor about feeling sorry for ourselves, nor about wanting retribution for Betty Sue who lives in Timbucktoo! It's about exposing the CofS and Scientology for what it is, and preventing people from being harmed in the future. A few maybe need to get their head out of their ass on this one, stop being selfish, and look at the bigger picture.

    While I don't agree with every action Aaron has taken in the last month or so, he has been moving mountains with what he has been doing. He is giving his life to this, and at a huge personal cost. He is hurting, but he is putting that hurt aside to do everything and anything he can to make things right.

    Because of his history, is he damned forever? Should he just crawl into a hole and be sorry, and propitiate, and beat himself up constantly? Or would it be better that he actually DO something about it? For those few who want to judge him on his recent actions, what should he be doing if not what he is doing?

    To me, what he is doing now is admirable and he has more weight on his shoulders right now than anyone I know, because of what he is doing. And for the record, what you may see on the net is only a small part of what he has been up to these last few months.

    How dare anyone try and stick the knife into him, at this time, for what he has done in the past. Yes, Aaron has adversely affected many lives. By his own admission he was an evil prick to many. However, what he is doing now is everything he can do, to blow the lid off the CofS, and for that he should be supported.......not have salt put into his wounds.

    To those who choose to be "upset" with Aaron, over what he has done in the past, I'd suggest you go be "upset" somewhere else - Right now, it's not relevant, and it certainly doesn't assist our current endeavour!
    He's one of the good guys, and I support him in making his own choices and decisions. It's immediately obvious when you see him speak that there is no duplicity in him.

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    I am not upset with Aaron. Just for the record.
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    Sometimes I wonder about the world of us exes.

    Aaron - go for it mate. You are kicking some serious ass.

    And for anyone who wants to advise you on cooling it, or taking a break or dialing it back - tell them to get fucked.

    Do things the way you think you should do them.

    We all spent enough time doing things that someone else thought we should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock View Post
    Sometimes I wonder about the world of us exes.

    Aaron - go for it mate. You are kicking some serious ass.

    And for anyone who wants to advise you on cooling it, or taking a break or dialing it back - tell them to get fucked.

    Do things the way you think you should do them.

    We all spent enough time doing things that someone else thought we should.

    I totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock View Post
    Sometimes I wonder about the world of us exes.

    Aaron - go for it mate. You are kicking some serious ass.

    And for anyone who wants to advise you on cooling it, or taking a break or dialing it back - tell them to get fucked.

    Do things the way you think you should do them.

    We all spent enough time doing things that someone else thought we should.
    Exactly.

    I admire Aaron for what he is doing and hope more people will have the courage to do the same.

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    I would bet my bottom dollar that 90% of any guilt or negative reactions towards what Aaron is doing is coming from a Scieno, or being encouraged by Scieno to do so. Of course, they would never admit that motivation. (The other 10% I will explain below)

    I've been watching the fight against Scientology for over a decade now and can easily say Aaron's videos were some of the most extraordinary interviews I had ever watched on the subject. Most of the time you have people who will only talk about being victims or are so careful in their words you know you are only getting the tip of the iceburg. They can do this because simply opening your mouth, in any way, subjects you to the wrath of the cult - so people aren't pushed as they would be in other circumstances. They just get lauded for simply opening their mouths and taking a stand against CoS.

    But a cult cannot function on victims only - it is only able to function because it creates victims that are victimizers as well. Scientology could not function otherwise. It also demonstrates it's rotten to the core because we know anyone who believes and behaves as a 100% on policy CoS Scientologist will hurt and punish his fellow members (victims) as the cult instructs. Now the extent of that will depend on how much power he has within the cult - the more power the more hurt - because that's what the church demands. As Aaron pointed out his behavior didn't get him in trouble or reproached - it got him rapidly promoted.

    I think most people that have been in similar positions to Aaron, and that have walked away, either just don't give a shit what they did, keep their guilt in the dark recesses of their mind with rationalizations or are too scared to say anything for various reason. Only a very moral, good human being would not only feel guilty, but then take actions to try in some way to make things right - that's what Aaron has done. That's why people are cheering him on. I have not seen the negatives the OP references, I have only seen very enthusiastic support online.

    Aaron could easily wallow in self-pity. Hell, most Scientologist freely chose to enter the cult as adults with free will. Aaron, however, was a 15 year old baby whose mother signed over custody of him to the Sea Org. He has just as much right, if not a lot more, to claim he was a victim - because he was. The fact he eschews the self-pity and victim role, is why everyone has taken notice and applauded. Common sense tells you that not all ex-scientologist were saints who were simply victimized by the evil cult - life is not that simple. You can't have countless stories of abuse if everyone was a victim. You have the countless tales of abuse because if you truly buy into Scieno (or esp. Sea org) policy you are going to hurt others, period. That's why the abuse is so rampant and common within the cult.

    I think Aaron has broken a big taboo among ex's and maybe that's why a few guilty ones have tried to give him a hard time - these are the other 10%. His words make them face their past with a honest eye - stripping the protective cover of "victimhood" from it. They have to face the fact that while they were hurt, they hurt others too. When people like that watch someone taking responsibility for their actions, its scares the shit out of them. (See the Nuremberg trials for instances of this and how much fellow defendants hated Albert Speer for simply admitting Nazi leaders shared "collective responsibility" for the actions of the third reich.)

    Aaron's broken new ground because he's trying to do the right thing and tell the WHOLE truth - and people like that always take heat from the more cowardly among the ranks. Aaron should have the absolute and total support of those who truly seek the end of the cult's abuses - because it all has to start with the whole truth, not simply the comfortable or convenient truths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock View Post
    Aaron - go for it mate. You are kicking some serious ass.
    Totally Agree! Aaron.... well done.

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    I admire Aaron's honesty and courage.

    I was extremely impressed and touched by what he said in his interview. Anyone saying anything negative about this man is simply a dick, an inconsequential dick.

    Good luck to you mate


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock View Post
    Sometimes I wonder about the world of us exes.

    Aaron - go for it mate. You are kicking some serious ass.

    And for anyone who wants to advise you on cooling it, or taking a break or dialing it back - tell them to get fucked.

    Do things the way you think you should do them.

    We all spent enough time doing things that someone else thought we should.
    Too right, Mate! What are you drinking, MIck? This one's on me. Aaron, do what feels right, and seize the day.
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