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    [AFTER POSTING AND SEEING THE UGLY RESPONSES:
    FIRST, THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT ADDED MORE VALUABLE INFORMATION, AND KIND REMARKS.
    You know what? THOSE THAT WERE NASTY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY CAN STICK IT. And I found the ignore button. I have actual experience with this, with my child. Such hateful, nasty, critical responses, from ignorant people. I have studied extensively, and even gave references. Someone gave a reference from a mass media article in a science mag..wrong, they are covering up for the billion dollar pharma. I trained in 'wog' mass media, using psych techniques to control the masses, telling you what to buy, how to think, who to vote for. The data I gave was accurate, and there is much more, environmental toxins that do incredible damage. I trained in the history of the education system to dumb you down, QUOTE: "The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality" - H.L. Mencken. BOOK: The Leipzig Connection by Paolo Lionni & Lance J. Klass. This book is amazing - it is the truth, using our schools to 'condition, the masses into ignorant, stupid, easy to control 'human animals'. BOOK: The Underground History of American Education, by John Taylor Gatto COMPLETE BOOK FREE ON LINE!!! The Odysseus Group: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com

    I was anti-psych long before I came across Scientology, especially via consumer law & midwife training...Psych is only a treatist, a THEORY, with no medical tests, or proof whatsoever. A cult, making billions of dollars selling FRAUDULENT AND DANGEROUS drugs. By the way, all those on psych drugs are poisioning the rest of us. When they go to the bathroom, these drugs are NOT filtered out in America's water systems, as reported by the Environmental Working Group and Natural News.com. Talk about real terrorism. www.ewg.org & www.naturalhealthnews.com And per x-president Bush Jr's, "New Freedom on Mental Health Commission", we can be forcibly detained in Fema camps, and drugged on psych drugs, if we support the constitution and a lot of other things, per the Home Office!!! The Patriot Act, (almost the same as Hitler's Enabling Act), and The Military Act.

    Also see groups of psychs fighting psychs - International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology. http://www.icspp.org
    Also, Dr Mary Ann Block, Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, Dr John Breeding, Dr. Fred A. Baughman Jr, Dr Thomas Szasz, Dr Rima Laibow, (also against the UN's CODEX, removing our rights to vits and minerals), Dr Ron Liefer, Dr Thomas Armstrong, Ph.D., Dr Jay Joseph (about no evidence of genes causing mental illness), and so on. GEE, these psychs arent scientologists fighting psych FRAUD. Another comment put me down because I was quote: brainwashed into CCHR thinking..how stupid can you get?

    I know what I am talking about. People all across America are fighting this bullshit.
    STUDY, STUDY, STUDY, OUTSIDE THE BOX, IT'S GOOD FOR YOU. None of this is intended for medical advice, just links to give you some leads. My post was in compassion for John Travolta, and wife, losing a child.


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    In defense of John Travolta, because the media is sort 'suggesting' scientology on his son dying...TYPICAL LETS FIND SOMETHING TO PICK ON.

    As I trained in midwivery and mass media and how it uses psych tech to control the masses, brainwashing them. And the fact that American media is owned by several billion dollar drug companies, and war machine companies...and have a special education psych in the family, and know many teachers that have experienced and witnessed the same:

    It is well known that kids with vaccinations can cause autism, and in later years, Alzheimer's.
    Some kids/adults are more susceptible to mercury. Now a days, kids get 52 shots. When in my generation, was only about 7. Americans are the most over innoculated people in the world, other countries dont pass out so much.

    Our American vaccinations have mercury in them. YES, ALL OF THEM HAVE MERCURY IN THEM, IT'S IN THE THERMISOL. (Yet, they have been banned in other countries, other countries wont allow the vacc's with mercury in them. Just like they have banned American meat and dairy for the synthetic hormones in it.)

    A natural doctor that is trained to cleanse the body of toxic metals is needed - and I believe the purification rundown does not clean the body of toxic metals, and certainly auditing is not going to handle the fact that these toxic metals have to be cleaned out.

    Esp Fluoride, which was used in Nazi concentration camps to induce apathy. It's a neurotoxin.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/027693_fluoride_cancer.html

    We dont know what John tried - I am sure he went to many doctors, esp with all the money, as so many American parents have done. But sometimes the damage is too much.
    Medical doctors have no way of handling autism, all they do is try drugs. Try this, try that. And kids die. None of it works. One doctor I read up on, noticed, just by accident, a parasite drug worked. I have to find that reference.

    I have experience with this, with my child.
    Something auditing is not going to handle it, it's a body problem.

    Also the mass media is owned by only 6 corporations, in America, one or two of which are billion dollar drug companies, who are not going to put down their drugs or vaccinations, when it affects billions in profits.

    http://www.naturalnews.com

    and environmental working group
    http://www.ewg.org

    Book: The Fluoride Deception, by Christopher Bryson

    See "Fluoride & The Brain", Fluoride is a neurotoxicant, http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/index.html

    Statement released January 2, 1997 from the EPA reads: “…indicates a causal link between fluoride/fluoridation and cancer, genetic damage, neurological impairment, and bone pathology”

    Fluoride promotes and enhances the carcinogenicity of other cancer causing chemicals in the food and environment - great if your in the cancer business. It allows your body to absorb MORE toxic metals, (esp in vaccinations), causing 'mental disorders'. The list goes on.

    Also see books by Dr Doris Rapp on environmental toxins.
    http://www.drrapp.com/

    Our Toxic World: A Wake Up Call & Is This Your Child's World?
    How You Can Fix the Schools and Homes That Are Making Your Children Sick Our Toxic World
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deb Lee View Post
    In defense of John Travolta, because the media is sort of blaming scientology on his son dying...

    It is well known that kids with vaccinations can cause autism.

    Our American vaccinations have mercury in them.
    (They have been banned in other countries).

    Something auditing is not going to handle.

    A doctor that is trained to cleanse the body of toxic metals is needed -and I belive the purification rundown does not clean the body of toxic metals.

    We dont know what John tried - I am sure he went to many doctors, as so many parents have done. But sometimes the damage is too much.

    http://www.naturalnews.com

    and environmental working group
    http://www.ewg.org
    Are you defending Travolta or Scientology?

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    I think the vaccines causing autism is:

    a) unlikely to be the cause for Travolta;
    b) extremely rare and far rarer than the hype;
    c) unsound fear will cause public health crises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deb Lee View Post
    In defense of John Travolta, because the media is sort 'suggesting' scientology on his son dying...<snip>
    Hmm.. John Travolta does not need you to defend him. He's a grown man with a large airplane. And he has the worlds fastest expanding religion and it's PR division to help defend him.

    And despite all the 'data' you provide from Hubbards PR war on human society, fact is that Hubbard irresponsibly claims, in DMSMH, that well neigh all disease is 'psychosomatic' and can be 'handled' with Dianetics.

    That is a lie!

    Nevertheless, scientologists 'believe' in it like it was as real as gravity. And the assumption that JT has been told, by some scientology amateur numbscull Case Supervisor, that his son needed to get off his medicine is highly likely!

    If so, then Scientology WAS instrumental in Jett's death!

    That said, the accident could probably have happened anyway. Epileptic seizures ARE dangerous and can result in death. And autism is not something anyone knows what to do about. No known cure, either in wog medicine, natural healing or in Scientology. There are thousands of very clever people working on it.. In the 'established' medical field, which it would be a serious mistake to consider 'evil' and 'supressive'.

    And besides, epilepsy and autism has been happening before all the modern industrial toxins was invented.. Not that they're any good.. But do recall, that in the good old days, before the industrial revolution, when everybody lived 'naturally'.. The average life expectancy was 30 years, at which time they didn't have any teeth!

    Anti seizure medication actually works! - It works for my wife.. She had seizures frequently until the right medication was found. There are a selection of different drugs that are known to work, and the right one is found by trial and error basicly.. It is now almost 10 years since she had a seizure.

    And read about Tory 'Magoo' Christman. Scientology ordered her off her medication for epilepsy, and she promptly started having grand mal zeizures again. She could have died from those!

    Ask not what Scientology can do for you, ask what the F#*¤CK is going on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deb Lee View Post
    Medical doctors have no way of handling autism, all they do is try drugs. Try this, try that. And kids die. None of it works.


    I know someone who is a researcher is this area and from my understanding of what was said a big culprit being looked at for causing autism is gas emanating from cheap plastic products. One of the worst is laying a baby face down on a linoleum floor where they are forced to breath the gas coming from the plastic. Another bad one is using foam mattresses. Especially in the US where there are a lot of fire retardants added to the foam for fire safety. But many infant beds are foam and the kid sleeps in the gas sucking it up. There's also concern about petroleum based pacifiers, supple feeding nipples, blankets, diapers, sippy bottles, etc.

    His suggestion was use as many untreated natural products when raising your kid, and to remove all plastic flooring and foam mattresses from the house. And also check the babysitter/daycare for plastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeropointreference View Post
    I know someone who is a researcher is this area and from my understanding .......
    It always astounds me when people are trying to defend something absurd online, they ALWAYS happen to know some "expert" or "researcher" on whatever subject is being debated. (They usually wait to pull out the buddy expert once they are challenged)

    You'll notice they will never name this amazing "researcher"or "expert" nor cite their work or link to their findings, or any of their published papers, nope, but boy is their work important and just happens to totally prove whatever claims were just pulled out of someone's ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnySkull View Post
    It always astounds me when people are trying to defend something absurd online, they ALWAYS happen to know some "expert" or "researcher" on whatever subject is being debated. (They usually wait to pull out the buddy expert once they are challenged)

    You'll notice they will never name this amazing "researcher"or "expert" nor cite their work or link to their findings, or any of their published papers, nope, but boy is their work important and just happens to totally prove whatever claims were just pulled out of someone's ass.


    Defend? No, relaying. I don't care either way because my life isn't affected by autism. What I said came out of a conversation I overheard others talking about and it stuck with me and I thought it was interesting so I shared it.

    And I never said the researcher is amazing or presented what I wrote as in any way THE TRUTH. What I said was "a big culprit being looked at..." That means what is says. The truth it seems is no one definitively knows what causes autism. Research is still needed and finding out what is wrong is as important as finding out what is right.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...tism-and-vinyl

    If you need proof this isn't something out of my ass... and as for absurd, maybe you should google before you sticking your foot in your mouth. Took me about five seconds to confirm online what you accused me of being absurd. Just like when I read the OP's post did I just learn that there is mercury in vaccines but I wouldn't have believed it. But I used google and learned otherwise.

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    Things are heating up.... what was the thread about again?
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    You could be right there...

    Hey Panda,
    it's been a while. All good with you I hope.

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