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    Yes, Sweetness, I have read Bent ( and lots of others), but not the 'Onion' - I will try to find that. Thanks.

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    Sweetness, I read the 'Onion' this morn, and no I have never read that before. I have that book so mine must be a first edition. Yes, the 'Onion' pretty much describes what I think Scitog is, and my experiences in the top layer (or two). My reading in the last few decades filled me in on most of the other layers. Not much is still secret anymore - except to those in it . . .

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    Isn't it sad? Those on the outside have more knowledge of facts and history of the Scientology movement than those on the inside. Something really wrong with that picture! Hope everyone can find the freedom to look soon, and to know, and to make up their own minds about things...

    Glad you joined us here, Lurker!
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    The more you know about Scientology, the less likely you are to be a Scientologist.

    Scientology 'Tech' is about eliminating the ability to 'evaluate' Scientology.

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    Holy mackerel! - don't know why I have overlooked this thread.. Until now.. And I'm about halfway through the thread.. Need a break now.. Incredible stuff Gadfly! - Very well written and reasoned!

    If not already mentioned, I'm gonna post about the 'Black Panther' principle, where Hubbard intends to persuade us to become unreasonable assholes.. But his logic fails..

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    I have often seen myself in the valence of the Black Panther on the staircase!

    Try it, it's very empowering!
    Yes, you can fly, but first you have to break out of that cocoon. You are capable of self rescue at all times. "Every blade of grass has its own special angel watching over it and whispering, 'grow...grow'." -The Talmud "I am still determined to be cheerful and happy, in whatever situation I may be, for I have learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends upon our disposition, and not upon our circumstances." -Martha Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetnessandLight View Post
    I have often seen myself in the valence of the Black Panther on the staircase!

    Try it, it's very empowering!
    Do I want to imagine THAT? Mmmm? :D

    I think we are talking about an entirely DIFFERENT type of "black panther" here. GROWL!
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

    "They must know how to kindle and fan an extravagent hope". - Eric Hoffer about the "true believer". "Total Freedom", "your eternity", and "OT" involve a few of the extravagant hopes in Scientology.

    Go HERE to view and/or download the essay, "The Three Basic Scientology Beliefs".

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    "The purpose of Ethics is:

    TO REMOVE COUNTER-INTENTIONS FROM THE ENVIRONMENT.

    And having accomplished that the purpose becomes:

    TO REMOVE OTHER-INTENTIONEDNESS FROM THE ENVIRONMENT

    The person who enters a Scientology group to then sell other-answer is of course an enemy".


    (HCO PL 18 June 1968 ETHICS)


    "We're not now in this for play. Our personal futures depend on keeping going and making no major flubs. It isn't a question of is there something else. There isn't. Nobody can be half in and half out of Scientology. Scientologists are Scientologists no matter what they do for a living.

    The prize is regaining self and going free. The penalty for our failure is condemnation to an eternity of pain and amnesia for ourselves and for our friends and for this planet.

    If we fail, we've had it. It's not just a matter of getting killed. It's a matter of getting killed and killed and killed life after life forever more.

    Those guys up there mean business. We've got to match or better their energy level and dedication or we lose.

    We've been given a priceless chance. We must make good. We haven't any time for doubts or maunderings.

    We're the elite of Planet Earth, but that's only saying we're the not quite gone in the graveyard of the long gone.

    Somehow, despite our condition and the degraded environment we're in, we've got to keep the dedication and the guts to carry through no matter what comes."


    (HCO PL 30 July 1963 CURRENT PLANNING)

    "The world has an optimistic five years left, a pessimistic two.

    After that, Bang or just a whimper.

    On us alone depends whether your kids will ever see sixteen or your people will ever make it at all.

    Our chance is a thin chance at best.

    We are working as hard as we can in Scientology".)


    (L. Ron Hubbard Auditor Magazine 9, 1967


    "And make nothing out of the enemies who have plagued us for 200,000,000,000 years. And who, if we do not this time succeed, will plague us for 200,000,000,000 more.

    THIS is our chance.

    Make something of it
    ".

    (Excerpt from HCO INFO LETTER, February 25, 1962 It Can be Done)


    In this time and in this place - for possibly just a little while, we have a chance. To go free and to make it. Planets and cultures are frail things. They do not endure.

    I strongly advise you work hard at it - don't waste this brief breath in eternity.

    For that is your future - eternity".


    (LRH ED 342 From Clear to Eternity 9 May 1982)

    The previous are a sampling of the repeated type messages that a Scientologist hears and reads on a continual basis. The previous quotes are often compiled into a single folder by recruiters and sales staff to use as a tool for their jobs. People who accept, agree with and believe such things can more easily be coerced to join organizations, pay money and contribute time. The above references by Hubbard are often used to "get a person's reality up" on the vital importance and severity of the Scientology mission. ARC is used to bring you to AN "understanding" - it is an entirely arbitrary "understanding", but it is the one the Church experience creates in you. It is the use of "ARC" to manipulate and control by manufacturing convenient "realities" in the members.

    People who consider themselves to be the saviors of Mankind for all eternity do not view the world the same way as most other people. I can guarantee that the clerk at the local grocery store, the computer repairman, the local real estate company owner or the CEO of a major automobile corporation does not wake up each day wondering what they will do to help ensure the future eternity of Mankind. Dedicated Sea Org members and Scientology staff do wake up considering these things. In fact, in alignment with LRH policy, they take these things very seriously. They take great efforts to present themselves as "normal" folks, just like you and your neighbor, but that is far from the truth. While any person can "look" normal, it is only by their thoughts and ideas that you can truly know them.

    When you understand that they firmly believe these things, then it can begin to make sense how a staff member can work fourteen hours a day or more, for months at a time without any time off, and tolerate a meager allowance of $50 per week or less. It also begins to make sense how they will go after any perceived enemy with everything they have got, utilizing endless funds and resources, and never stopping until they have destroyed or neutralized the perceived threat. I mean, would you want to die a horrible death over and over forever? What would you do if you could avoid that horrible future? This doom and gloom mentality is an integral part of the mindset. They believe, completely, that they will suffer horribly for all eternity unless they succeed with their efforts in Scientology. That might seem hard to imagine for the reader, but unless you understand this you will fail to see the severity and seriousness with which they view their mission.

    Note: There is nothing wrong with believing anything and I have no problems with anyone believing anything they choose. But, when beliefs directly influence a person's or group's actions and behavior, in a way that harms others, then I begin to have a great concern for the person's beliefs.

    Always keep in mind that to them, in their minds, the survival and success of Scientology is absolutely vital and necessary if there is to be any future for anyone ever again at any future time. They truly believe that without the subject of Scientology, its techniques, the organization and its continual expansion that there will probably not be any future for any of us ever again. What they do and how they do it can begin to make sense only once you really understand this. Within their structure of belief, life in any form, at any future time, and in any future area ultimately depends only on their success or failure as a public or staff Scientologist. In their minds, everything, and I mean everything, hinges on the mission of Scientology and its unequivocal success or failure. They believe this completely. It is ingrained into their belief system through endless repetition and unified peer agreement.

    Scientology isn't like some version of Christianity, such as a sect of Protestantism, where you can accept some ideas, ignore other ideas, and still be a part of that Christian Church with differing or watered-down views. Again, Hubbard makes it clear that in Scientology "never permit an open-minded approach". There is no such thing as "halfway" in Scientology. It is entirely and only "all or nothing". There is absolutely NOTHING wishy-washy or namby-pamby about Scientology staff, especially the Sea Organization staff who sign a one billion year contract as an expression of their unwavering dedication and ultra-firm commitment to realizing their goals. Some might call their behavior and actions somewhat "obsessive". These people are probably the most "serious" group of people on the planet because they completely believe that they are the only hope and chance for any future for anyone anywhere. It doesn't matter at all what anyone else thinks, and they grant absolutely no validity to any other religion or philosophy (although they wax endlessly about "religious freedom" and "religious tolerance" for their own public relations and organizational needs). These firm beliefs sets the foundation upon which everything else in Scientology rests. If you keep this in mind when reading about their seemingly endless determination, ruthless intimidation of critics, and overwhelming actions taken against detractors then you will begin to understand them correctly in the proper context.
    I'm enjoying this thread, but may I just comment on this;

    "Scientology isn't like some version of Christianity, such as a sect of Protestantism, where you can accept some ideas, ignore other ideas, and still be a part of that Christian Church with differing or watered-down views."

    Christianity wasn't like that either at one time. How do you think the Crusades and the Inquisition happened?

    Protestantism is the way it is now because (a very simplified version here) some people realised you could have the NT - the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, the epistles etc. - without the fanaticism. The Scn freezone is based on the same premise regarding the tech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat's Squirrel View Post
    I'm enjoying this thread, but may I just comment on this;

    "Scientology isn't like some version of Christianity, such as a sect of Protestantism, where you can accept some ideas, ignore other ideas, and still be a part of that Christian Church with differing or watered-down views."

    Christianity wasn't like that either at one time. How do you think the Crusades and the Inquisition happened?

    Protestantism is the way it is now because (a very simplified version here) some people realised you could have the NT - the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, the epistles etc. - without the fanaticism. The Scn freezone is based on the same premise regarding the tech.
    Excellent point. I am very aware of that. My view is that fanaticism will tend to always appear in the official church framework, where LRH is taken 100% and enforced all of the time. Within THAT environment, NO picking and choosing is allowed, and a rigid viewpoint can only be the outcome.

    In a "looser" environment where people are FREE to pick and choose (thus "Free" Zone), of course, the degree of fanaticism will wane. People in the FZ are free to minimize the value and importance of KSW, PR, Scio-manipulation, and Hubbard's "organizational blabbering". But, always keep in mind that they will be choosing (correctly) to omit various writings of Hubbard's, and to greatly reduce others in importance, whereas the "official" Church of Scientology does not and will probably NEVER allow any such thing!

    To the degree that "alternative" Scio groups and "squirrel groups" form and persist, and to the degree the C of S cannot stop them and itself diminishes, ONLY THEN will the "protestantization" of Scientology evolve.
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    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

    "They must know how to kindle and fan an extravagent hope". - Eric Hoffer about the "true believer". "Total Freedom", "your eternity", and "OT" involve a few of the extravagant hopes in Scientology.

    Go HERE to view and/or download the essay, "The Three Basic Scientology Beliefs".

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    Fabulous thread. This should be part of the "I'm finally out of the cult" routing form.

    Hubbard's ability to come up with an inspirational line and method to keep you going in spite of all temptation to do otherwise is impressive.

    LRH was saying, "This is a spiritual stickup. Give me everything or else. Everything!!! NOW!!!" And we complied, at least for a while.

    Reminds me of all the nun's lectures about the various depths of hell and purgatory.

    Sheesh, take a chill pill.

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