Scientology Breeds Fanaticism

[Dulloldfart]

Excellent work, Gadfly. Thanks very much.

Paul

[Gadfly]

Staff members of the Church don't hold back on this at all. I have a friend who was discovered viewing anti-Scientology information on the Internet. He was taken into a room and three OSA (Office of Special Affairs) staff members basically screamed and yelled at him for fifteen minutes, accusing him of supporting "the horrible enemy" and threatening to take his chance for eternal freedom away. This is not an uncommon occurrence. Your possible future "spiritual freedom", and its threatened loss, is their ace up their sleeve that they will resort to when necessary to exact compliance to their demands. It can be tremendously intimidating and smacks strongly of coercion and duress. But the large majority tolerate it. Why? Again, so they can "get" their "spiritual freedom". It is extremely pitiful that the group that actually owns and controls a subject that possibly can enable at least some degree of "spiritual freedom" behaves like such brutes, dullards and totalitarians. But then that is explained by going back and looking at Key Belief Number One again. Belief One pretty much explains and justifies everything. It really need not necessarily be that way, with so much ruthlessness and force, but that is how the current senior members of the Church choose to play the game. And, Hubbard did write that attitude and view right into many of the poilicies.

This is partially why RTC works so hard to maintain a rock solid monopoly on the copyrights and trademarks. If they lost a tight hold on that then people could go anywhere to do Scientology services - they would then no longer have that tool of enforcement and control at their disposal.

"Do what we say or else you will be expelled and lose your sole chance for Spiritual Freedom"

is a looming and constant threat in the current environment of the Church of Scientology. It might not be spoken about much, surely never mentioned out loud, but the idea and threat is never far away. It is a constant undercurrent, it is extremely pervasive, and though somewhat subtle, it is crystal clear to just about anyone who has been around the Church of Scientology awhile. If you could actually get any Scientology public or staff member to answer honestly, without fear of intimidation, threats of severe ethics actions, or expulsion, and they do discuss these things at times amongst themselves when they are sure nobody is listening, many and even most would confirm the above description of what makes Scientology tick these days and why they tow the line as they do. The fear and intimidation factor is not minor.

But, for the most part, current Scientology staff and members won't ever talk about it, because they know what will happen if they say anything derogatory (even if true) about the Church or Church leaders. The only place to locate people who will speak honestly is among ex-members who no longer have a reason to behave as required. When you speak with ex-members you are talking to people 1) who have been there, 2) who have real experiences usually over extensive periods of time, but most importantly, 3) who are no longer intimidated into compromising and hiding their honest views and true opinions about the behavior of the Church of Scientology. This description of reality within the Church of Scientology, sadly, is amazingly accurate.

As far as promoting the idea that ONLY Scientology can deliver real salvation and solve the world's troubles, here are a few more quotes from L. Ron Hubbard's writings:

"The Product of an org is well-taught students and thoroughly audited pcs. When the product vanishes, so does the org. The orgs must survive for the sake of this planet".

(HCOPL 17 June 1970B Issue I TECHNICAL DEGRADES)


"We have some time since passed the point of achieving uniformly workable technology. The only thing now is getting the technology applied."

(HCO PL 7 February 1965 KSW Series 1)


"Orgs are in the very new, for this universe, business of setting people free. So, just do it, man, do it!"

(HCO PL 13 January 1983 THE BUSINESS OF ORGS)


"THE OBJECT IS TOTALLY FREED BEINGS.

You see, we are not dealing with "just another self-help subject" or a "make people feel better".

For the first time ever - and this is confirmed with careful historical research - the tech exists to reverse the chaos. Where we are this instant in time is at the reverse point of the universe. You are the one who will make it happen.

You have the tech now; you have the policy. It is you who are applying it. And by applying it, you have the power to reverse the dwindling spiral that has gone on without pause for more years than you can get into an Earth calculator.

For the first time ever you have this chance. And it is you who, just by knowing and using relentlessly the policy and tech, will make it happen.

It may seem large and awesome but it is a fact. You are not engaged in anything superficial.

And no objective worth obtaining was ever achieved without some barriers arising or industrious dedication.

So: Make it happen! The stars wait!"

(HCO PL 31 January 1983 THE REASON FOR ORGS)


"Only a Scientology Organization has an unlimited horizon".

(HCO PL4 December 1966 EXPANSION: THEORY OF POLICY)


"Auditors have since the first session of Scientology been the only individuals on this planet, in this universe capable of freeing man."

(HCO PL 31 May 1968 Issue II AUDITORS)


"Throughout the ages, man has struggled with the subjects of right and wrong and ethics and justice.

Unfortunately, until now, there has been no workable solution, as evidenced by the declining ethical level of society.

The breakthrough in Scientology is that we do have the basic technology of ethics.

This is a brand new discovery.; before Scientology it had never before seen the light of day, anywhere."

(HCO PL 12 July 1980R THE BASICS OF ETHICS)


"You are a clear. This state has not previously been attained in this universe and we must work towards getting more people - many more people - up to this level.

I expect and need your help to carry out the broad mission of de-contaminating this area of the universe".

(An Open Letter to all Clears by L. Ron Hubbard)


"In this minute particle of time we have the opportunity to reverse the downward spiral of life.

There is no longer any question if it is the right road.

It is no longer a question of whether standard ethics and policy work.

It is only a question of whether or not YOU apply them."

(LRH ED 347 INT 31 December 1982)


". . . Dianetics and Scientology are the most valuable service on the planet . . ."

(HCO PL 26 September 1979 Issue III COPYWRITING)


"If the Captain does not KNOW that Advanced Courses are the most valuable service on the planet he will not be able to understand HARD SELL. THEREFORE HE MUST REALIZE: That life insurance, houses, cars, stocks, bonds, college savings, are all transitory and impermanent and based on things not surviving, or on things that are in fact being destroyed.

Advanced Courses rehabilitate the Thetan to his OT abilities and last forever and give immortality.

'Hard Sell' is based on knowing and promoting in this line (TRUTH!) and not being reasonable about people who want 'other things' or 'other practices'. There is nothing to compare with Advanced Courses. They are infinitely valuable and transcend time itself."
(Flag Mission Order 375, 14 August 1970)


"You see, despite inferences to the contrary, this tech has not been available before anywhere and was not even known.

It is the route, which if purely used, uncorrupted and unperverted, will bring you at last to the vast free vistas of freedom and truth and the glory of being really you."

(LRH ED 348 INT Ron's Journal 37, 13 March 1983)


"The business of Scientology involves the future of this population and planet and only the very insane would tamper with that.

I have been researching upper OT levels and I can tell you this very plainly: If Scn doesn't make it worldwide you've had it - yes, I mean YOU.

One is not working for just this life. He is working for any future life AT ALL".

(HCO PL 14 March 1982, FINANCIAL IRREGULARITIES)


"No such knowledge has ever existed and no such results have ever before been attainable by Man as those which can be reached by a study of this brief volume.

This book is a summation, if brief, of the results of 50,000 years of thinking men. Their materials, researched and capped by a quarter century of original search by L. Ron Hubbard, have brought the humanities, so long outdistanced by the "exact sciences", into a state of equality, if not superiority, to physics, chemistry and mathematics.

What has been attempted by a thousand universities and foundations at a cost of billions has been completed quietly here.

This IS how life works.

The use or neglect of this material may well determine the use or neglect of the atomic bomb by Man.

To a Scientologist, the real barbarism of Earth is STUPIDITY.

There is not much Earth time. We must work.

The criminal is ignorant and stupid. Ignorance and stupidity may therefore be called criminal.

There is not much Earth time in which to distribute this knowledge. This is THE solution to our barbarism out of which we would lose all. Scientology works. WE must work, all of us."

(Fundamentals of Thought, 1975 printing, Introduction)


"With Scientology man can prevent insanity, criminality and war. It is for the betterment of man.

The only race that matters at this moment is the one being run between Scientology and the atomic bomb. The history of man, as has been said by well-known authorities, may well depend upon which one wins".

(Fundamentals of Thought, 1975 printing, Chapter 12 Exact Processes)


"Scientology is the most vital movement on Earth today".

(Fundamentals of Thought, 1975 printing, The Aims of Scientology)

Hubbard constantly stresses the idea that Scientology is the ONLY group that has solutions and workable methods to solve the most important problems confronting Mankind. All Scientologists read and accept these ideas early on. These ideas become part of their belief system. Key Belief Number Two is the second primary belief in the foundation of the Scientology edifice.

The question is not even whether they have workable solutions. Many of their methods can be useful and helpful, to at least some. The point here is that they USE these beliefs to justify their often severe, nasty and shady actions.

A fanatic is a person who believes that their belief system is far above, more accurate than, and more valid than all others, and the fanatic acts "religiously" (with overbearing, inappropriate zeal and fervor), dedicatedly, forcefully, unwaveringly and often simplistically to realize their goals. They do so because they conceive that ONLY their ideas, plans, views of reality and solutions are valid. They also look down upon all the views of others and any views that contradict or invalidate their own. This description is true for the 14th-century torturing priest of the Spanish Inquisition, the Nazi SS executioner, the door-knocking Jehovah's Witness, the psychiatric Electro-Shock apologist and the party-allegiant Russian Communist KGB agent.

It is also true, in many ways, to the Church of Scientology.

Key Beliefs Number One and Two create the ideas of a horrible future, unless the path is strictly followed. The goal is to follow the Path exactly and to allow nothing else. These two beliefs make up the "ends" in the following sentence:

"The ends justify the means".

To the person who accepts and believes Key Belief Number One and Number Two, there is ONLY one answer - to do anything and everything possible, without restrictions or boundaries, to reach the goal. In fact, the entire concept is brutally simple. Win, or else, and take no prisoners.

Having read and understood this about Scientology beliefs should make it easier for ANYONE (ex-members, possible future members, lawyers, critics, governments, etc) to easily see how and why they behave so extreme at times (like any well-indoctrinated fanatic).

More to come tomorrow - watch for what Key Belief Number Three is all about, and how it relates to the first two.

[Federalli Jones]

Great posts, Gadfly.

And the cult uses Guilt in various forms of 'not doing enough to save the planet' etc etc to introvert. Once introverted and guilt ridden you are now so easy to manipulate and rape your personal resources, your time, your money, your life, your goodwill, your dreams, your compassion.

[Markus]

Great posts, Gadfly.

And the cult uses Guilt in various forms of 'not doing enough to save the planet' etc etc to introvert. Once introverted and guilt ridden you are now so easy to manipulate and rape your personal resources, your time, your money, your life, your goodwill, your dreams, your compassion.

.......your son, your wife your family, your freedom, the freedom of your fellow man......

Have you read this thread yet? It's called "Scientology vs Godwins Law"

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=12284

Love
Markus

[Blue Spirit]

Gadfly, you have posted all of the things I had in mine for some time regarding

LRH references. You have written it better than I could have.

Because the references you have such a complete job of assembling have been

used in such a fanatical way does not from a long-established viewpoint make

them in themselves fanatical.

I have lost $200K to the fanatical application.

The workable tech that used to exist has been carefully destroyed, sabotaged, and purposely obscured, at a stepped up rate since the IRS took
over in 1993.

LRH was the source of the fanatical application, and as has been so carefully

pointed out by others, 1963 was the turning point downward for LRH's case.


The point of writing this was that my own viewpoints on a crumbling society

shifted radically in 1968 through a series of OT observations in the most

entheta area of the planet. Late that year I saw we had two years left,

which just came to me directly, with no knowledge of Scientology. Much later

in Scientology I read LRH's reference written in 1965 about having 2-5 years

left pessimistically / optimistically. I believe it was OT-3 that bought us the

time, as regardless of problems with it, apparently many beings are audited

and handled on it by the one auditing the level.

The number of OT-3's being made has been recently drastically reduced for

many reasons.

I do believe people who tell me that Knowledgism is superior for handling this

area, but few therein are doing much about the greater picture either.


I'm as pissed off as anyone regarding LRH's out-ethics and his abandonment

of his case. Also how he picked on beings of superior power to try and

destroy them, particularly this is ongoing against me right now from a being

in LRH's personality using LRH as the ultimate Service Fac using LRH's evil

side to justify his reverse auditing of me. (outside the Church)


Back to the point: All of the LRH writings above (or most, as I'm familiar with

them and didn't re-read all of your long posts) are spot on as to where this

planet is headed (and soon). This is solely from my own observations.

Alan Walter also agrees pretty closely if you read the early part of "Gods In

Disguise" which I am now doing.


If you want to see how close we are to things falling apart look up. Where it

used to be a bad day when 12 Chem Trails were laid down here, now we

have countless, estimated as 3-4 dozen daily many days.

Go look up "LA SCN" thread on the Chem Trails and their purpose and intent.

I finally read it (5 pages) and it explains how bad it really is.


The Ethics of the CO$ is so insane that the tech that used to get results is

difficult or impossible to get now. Ethics and Tech used to be applied with

some sanity and results. Hard to wander through the Tech minefield today

and make it out the other side, rather impossible.


Because LRH warned us of the impending situation on this God-forsaken

hellhole Earth, is no reason to say that those statements are untrue. Because

they have been applied with a seriousness ("Seriousness = Mental Mass")

which is NOT helpful to any possible Spirit-of-Play solution and that does

seem "fanatical" is no reason to make the statements themselves seem

fanatical.

It is hard, or impossible for most to confront the future here, so invalidating

statements of that would seem like a solution.

IS IT ?

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION ?

(Next time I comm with LRH, I'm going to suggest, none too politely that he

grab a body and sit down and get his major case situations resolved.)

[because]

Sandie,
Yes I did read Gadfly's posts.
The person has to be blindly accepting in the first place to become a fanatic. Not everyone that reads LRH becomes a fanatic. Not everyone takes the comments he has made with equal truth and importance. So of all the people who have read his materials what percentage become fanatics? It maybe that the person that realizes they were a fanatic because they read LRH believes that others who read it will become fanatics.
Maybe differenciation of data comes easy to me.

[Gadfly]

Blue Spirit, I got what you are saying, but I don't agree.

First, I don't know that the Tech is so horribly "destroyed" as you put it. Oh sure, there is no doubt Miscavige is changing things, but the actual Grade Chart, with the usual actions? Are they so different? Maybe, but I somehow don't think so. L-10, L-11, L-12? Have they been drastically changed? The Grades? I will be the first the point at the alterations, but have they "destroyed" the "wonderful Bridge"? The Bridge has always had its problem - that is why Hubbard was forever ADDING to it. It was NEVER at a point of "completion", all Church PR to the contrary. The Bridge forever was a "work in progress". THAT is the reality of the Scientology "Bridge to Total Freedom".

The whole Bridge may be useless anyway, in 1963 or now. Just BE 3 feet in back or your head, and get creative. Start! Or, grab onto the back top two corners of the room, hold onto them, and don't think. Do that 1 hour every day for a year or two. You will probably be more "clear" or "OT" than ANY Grade Chart results could ever put you at.

Second, I had been around in the early 1970s and the functioning of the group was always INSANE. I never saw a time when management wasn't totally fruitcake nutty!

Third, I never really undrstood or agreed with all the people endlessly moaning about "how much worse everything keeps getting". I have read MOST of the conspiracy books on aliens, New World Order, bankers, Fed Reserve, education, history of psychiatry, Mullins, Coleman, Epperson, and so forth. I have over 2 5-shelf bookshelves filled with all of that "the end is coming and why" scenarios. But, I see it very differently. Earth has ALWAYS been a fucking ZOO! There is no, "it is deteriorating". What exists today is just a different possible version of Earth, given the many numerous and various factors and variables involved. It hasn't really gotten better or worse, not overall, not on an average. Some things get better and some things get worse, and those things ARE DIFFERENT for different people, depending on their viewpoints and goals. Sometimes I actually think the NWO crowd may have a better idea than the rest. Maybe humanity should be herded and bred like cattle. Maybe that is all they deserve - as displayed by their so many unsavory tendencies to harm each other in the name of some stupid "cause". Oh, I know - all the confusion has been created by alien entities and off-world controller forces. Maybe. But, if so, you will NEVER be able to change what is very much then well beyond your scope, knowledge and ability to effect changes. I suspect that Hubbard baited you all with these ideas, and used them for his own purposes - whether the doomsday scenarios are true or not. Just because Hubbard may have been able to point at some things that were wrong or going badly in the world does not mean that he could do anything at all about those things (even though he surely said that he could). It is common for people to make the mistake that because some person or group can point to negatives and outpoints, that this somehow implies that their "solutions" have any merit.

Fourth, all of this "it is falling apart" is based on the idea or assumption that you actually think there is anything that anyone can possibly do about how this world will eventually unfold. What is, is what is. If you are a thetan, then really, it doesn't matter. Cycles follow cycles follow more cycles, and it all comes and goes - possibly forever. Go with the flow. All this resistance against the "horrible eventual decline of all civilization" helps to CREATE such a reality. Forget about it, and it will probably vanish on its own.

The factors or variables involved with planet Earth are far too numerous to fathom, much less "control" so as to direct it along some exact course of events. That holds true for whatever "ultimate controllers" might exist. Nothing turns out as planned, and in the end the "random" variable is probably the largest and most relevant, despite aliens, medical conspiracies, genetic experimentation and who knows what else.

I think some people WANT to believe that it is all falling apart, and those type people find and agree with such sorts of data. I really do think that each person gets EXACTLY what he or she wants and expects - in a so amazingly for-sure, certain way, that I can only laugh watching so much of what goes on. What you see and experience is only and exactly what YOU are. If you see doom and gloom, then THAT is WHO you are! I have this hard-to-explain notion that any person's life and external events of experience, on every level and dynamic, are a sort of Karmic unfolding of the person's own basic true nature (as he or she exists at this moment as a package of beliefs, attitudes, abilities and awareness). If you don't like what you see, change yourself - and you won't see it anymore, because you will find yourself somewhere else! If consciousness REALLY is the basis for each person, and I suspect that it is, then all attempts at effecting "out there" are absurdly ridiculous.

The only peace anyone will EVER find is INSIDE, right where you are sitting. Trying to "fix it all out there" is a fool's game. It is always changing into something else. Change is the norm in this universe. Let it do whatever it will do, and stop pretending that there is anything that anyone can or will do about it. The ONLY thing any person can change or better is his or herself. I truly currently have the opinion that when I see a person talking about "contrails" and "conspiracies" and "flouride in the water" (which may all very well exist), I see a person who is STUCK out in the external reality. Even if you could "fix it all" out there, the most important factor in the equation, YOU, have been neglected.

Find peace within. Be it. And then MAYBE the world will follow. But the reverse will NEVER happen.

I think Ghandi said, "be the change that you want to see in the world". But all other attempts, thoughts and energies are futile. Force against force NEVER improves conditions.

Be the change YOU want to see in the world. BE IT. In other words, be, feel and SEE the world as if it were the most perfect world of your dreams. Some mystics say that it could and would change instantly right before your eyes - because, the world IS YOU (but you don't know that deeply). And, every external force and negative factor you imagine to exist, exists for you because and only because you think it does.

Be the change YOU want to see in the world. BE IT.

All else is useless - I think.

[because]

Gadfly,
Your posts seems be a warning call and an effort to enlighten others about the pit falls of outragious comments plus your own opinions (which you are very much entitled to). But that is a limited view IMO the fanatic has the flaw of the failure to qualify data and puts emotions in place of it. His personal qual is out. He may dismiss Scn and go elsewhere and repeat the same action, yet a true qualification of any info should resolve any fanatisim.

[Gadfly]

Gadfly,
Your posts seems be a warning call and an effort to enlighten others about the pit falls of outragious comments plus your own opinions (which you are very much entitled to). But that is a limited view IMO the fanatic has the flaw of the failure to qualify data and puts emotions in place of it. His personal qual is out. He may dismiss Scn and go elsewhere and repeat the same action, yet a true qualification of any info should resolve any fanatisim.

I will explain tomorrow why any personal application of judgment within the framework of official Scientology is NOT POSSIBLE. If you do that, then you are doing so UNDER their radar, because official RTC-directed Scientology is a 100% all-or-none proposition, and I will give MANY references tomorrow to show and explain why.

[because]

Gadfly,
I didn't mention "judgement" or "within the framework of Scn" in my post.

[Gadfly,
Your posts seems be a warning call and an effort to enlighten others about the pit falls of outragious comments plus your own opinions (which you are very much entitled to). But that is a limited view IMO the fanatic has the flaw of the failure to qualify data and puts emotions in place of it. His personal qual is out. He may dismiss Scn and go elsewhere and repeat the same action, yet a true qualification of any info should resolve any fanatisim.]

Nonetheless I await your reference.