Scientology Tech Evaluated

[Alanzo]

Sounds great, so long as you have the recipe for the cake! Some would
say that if you use the Scientology recipe, you get nothing but
Clam Cakes.

Christianity postulates a self rising cake...so long as you use the correct yeast (Jesus Christ). Jews are partial to non rising cakes (matzoh)
which are really good in soup.

And Muslims are partial to pita, as long as you don't give it to them with your left hand.

[Vinaire]

Sounds great, so long as you have the recipe for the cake! Some would
say that if you use the Scientology recipe, you get nothing but
Clam Cakes.

Christianity postulates a self rising cake...so long as you use the correct yeast (Jesus Christ). Jews are partial to non rising cakes (matzoh)
which are really good in soup.

Either you have the MEST universe determine things for you, or you determine the MEST universe.

You seem to be subscribing whole heartedly to the former, and do not admit any possibility of the latter.

Am I right?

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[NonScio]

Either you have the MEST universe determine things for you, or you determine the MEST universe.

You seem to be subscribing whole heartedly to the former, and do not admit any possibility of the latter.

Am I right?

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Well, it seems to me it is the "semitic" (as you term them) cultures of the
West which have undertaken to "determine the MEST universe" and
it has been the "Vedic" eastern cultures which are passive and
accept the inevitability to "have the MEST universe determine things for you".
You seem to have things in reverse!

You know a tree by its fruits. The Judaeo-Christian culture of the
West has resulted in humankind's ever increasing ability to
be "cause" over MEST. It has lifted at least a large part of
humanity out of the general degradation of toil and poverty which
had so long been the state of mankind.

If we look at the eastern cultures...India and China..until very
recently mired in hopeless poverty and human degradation,
now to the extent that they have adopted "western ideas"
are lifting huge populations into a more tolerable "MEST" existence.

It is a peculiar "Western" idea that the individual Human Being
has dignity, indeed is sacred. That the individual Human Being
has certain inalienable rights granted from the very Creator
Himself. Meanwhile, in India, it appears to western eyes
that a cow is considered of more inherent dignity and more sacred than a Human Being.
The Caste system too is abhorent to western
sensibilities.

I would say that Scientology indeed is close to the eastern religions.
So were the Nazis...a total aberration of Western culture. It's
obsession with race, with Aryan (eastern) origins..the Swastika
symbol...it's uderlying ideology of Alfred Rosenberg. Scientology
is Nazism with a slightly different twist. I dare say that a "Scientology World" would
come close to resembling the social/economic conditions of Calcutta.

[nexus100]

I wasn't there long enough to ascertain whether it extended in all directions. But I was viewing the whole MEST universe as a single small package, somewhat like a pearl on a necklace. This happened recently, within the past two years. The emotion I got from it was one of sadness at realizing this was part of a series of such cycles of the creation and destruction of MEST, and that escape from the current MEST universe might actually be only one step needed towards a total return to native state.

Not that this is necessarily what I'd want right now anyhow.

Edit - addition: The guy who gave me the clue on how to find this viewpoint is an OTIIIX who has done some other stuff since. It seems to have affected him pretty strongly, he was convinced he had become God. Hey, I guess someone has to be, right? My pointing out that he didn't have the sort of abilities one normally assigns to the Supreme Being didn't faze him in the slightest. At the time I hadn't started OT II.

haiqu

A guy who had been in LA told me the first person to go clear thought he was Jesus Christ. The guy knew Heber Jentzsch and his wife who passed some years ago, I believe her name was Yvonne.

[Ralph Hilton]

I met quite a few people in scn who thought they were Jesus. John McMaster, the first Clear, actually had an incredibly calm presence. His treatment by the GO was abyssmal and he deteriorated in his later years. If I were to believe that anyone I'd met in this lifetime was the re-incarnation of Christ then it would be him.

[Ralph Hilton]

Hardly. Hymn of Asia was a poetic work written for the participants of the 1956 Buddhist conference, the year Buddha was supposed to reappear according to some calendars.

No-one should take poetry seriously.

As a vector for announcing the arrival of a subject which could match the Buddhist tone and philosophical bent, Hubbard's poem was simply a nice little PR exercise.

A parallel exercise might be seen in the Brainwashing Manual, if he did in fact write it. He was a smart cookie.

haiqu

I talked to the lady who answered LRH's mail for him about Hymn of Asia (Alethia Taylor). From what he had said to her about it LRH very much believed what he wrote.

[Bea Kiddo]

I met quite a few people in scn who thought they were Jesus. John McMaster, the first Clear, actually had an incredibly calm presence. His treatment by the GO was abyssmal and he deteriorated in his later years. If I were to believe that anyone I'd met in this lifetime was the re-incarnation of Christ then it would be him.

I C/Sed hundreds of people in my years who said they were Jesus, that Elvis was still alive, that they were Marilyn Monroe, that they shot Kennedy, that they were Genghis Khan, that they shot John Lennon.

Every possible conspiracy, there was a pc who took responsibility for it, somehow, in some sort of delusional way.

Nobody claimed to be Budha, except ...

[nexus100]

I met quite a few people in scn who thought they were Jesus. John McMaster, the first Clear, actually had an incredibly calm presence. His treatment by the GO was abyssmal and he deteriorated in his later years. If I were to believe that anyone I'd met in this lifetime was the re-incarnation of Christ then it would be him.

Thanks for the data. The guy was connected to the GO and was probably getting their PR. 30 years ago, geez.

[OHTEEATE]

According to Hubbard Christ did not exist. I would say more but it is confidential and I don't want you to die

[Zinjifar]

According to Hubbard Christ did not exist. I would say more but it is confidential and I don't want you to die

I get more the impression that the 'Man on the cross; there was no Christ' is more a dispute of the existence of 'The Christ' (i.e. the 'hat') than of Jesus the historical figure.

However, Hubbard *does* also and elsewhere say that 'Jesus' is an implant, so, Jesus (himself, as opposed to Himself) seems to be being called into question.

Still, what difference does it make in a Hubbardian solipsist universe where *everything* is imaginary?

Zinj