EXTERIORIZATION: REAL OR DELUSION?

[The Great Zorg]

POLL
Have you ever 'exteriorized' (left your body and floated nearby, seeing and hearing yourself and others)?

I have wondered about this for decades. I know that 'exteriorization' is the supposed end result of some process (I forget which) and I remember when I had that process run on me; I lied.

The North American First People's call it 'spirit walking'. Others throughout history have called it different things.

Please take a minute to click the multiple choices above.

I thought this poll would be kind of cool and interesting. I am very curious as to the results.

Apparently you can only vote once, so if there are any grey areas then use your best guess.

Cheers

[ScnRebel]

I used to think that I had gone Exterior in my auditing. What I thought was exterior was a "spaced out" feeling. No perceptions at all. When I said that I felt exterior, the auditor would indicate and F/N and end the session.

I thought that I was exterior, but just with no perception.

After reading the article "My perspective on Auditing" by Stacy Brooks (http://www.xenu-directory.net/accoun...s20000712.html), I changed my mind about this. What I experienced was a "spaced out" feeling. I should never have equated that with being exterior.

When I was on my way out of Scientology, I did a bit of a survey of the people I know that have done all 3 L's. The EP on this is stably exterior. I asked them what they experieced, and if they are stably exterior. The answer was "No" on the stably exterior, and what they experienced was a bit odd. Not what I would think would be called exterior.

So in all my auditing up to OT V, I have not experienced it. I know lots of people who claimed they have, but from Stacy Brook's post, I would think that they were imagining it.

I have also read an account where LRH audited a woman and told her to be 3 feet back of her head. She lied and said that she was. How many more of those are around. Did LRH ever actual exteriorise anyone?

[Terril park]

You've missed an important choice, three feet back of your head
with no exterior perception. This would probably be the most common experience.

[comgud]

This is experience from a different sort of practice, but they still have the same idea of leaving the body behind.

In my teens, I would meditate a lot as part of my devotional. Ultimately, the goal was to be able to spirit walk, and I felt I had done this many times. It would start with the feeling that my body was incoherent. I no longer had a clear concept of hand or foot etc. At one moment, it would seem like my arm was a mile long and the next, it was a few scan centimetres. Initially, this was as far as I got, but some months later instead of that incoherent feeling of having a body, I would feel I had none at all. I was a bundle of floating perceptions with only the most tenuous ties to the flesh thing I'd inhabited before.

Years later I had problems with insomnia. I was feeling very stressed, and wasn't sleeping at all for days at a time. When I did sleep, it was only for an hour or so and the sleep was dreamless and unfufilling. I often woke feeling more tired than I had before I'd slept. Nothing was helping, so my doctor tried me on an anti-depressant called Pamalor because he didn't want to put me on sedatives. It definitely helped me sleep, but in the stages before sleep something familiar happened: I felt the same incoherent body feeling, and then almost complete detachment from body.

A drug triggered what appeared to be identical sensations and experiences to what I'd believed was something only obtainable through a spiritual path, and discipline. My conclusion was and is that my meditation was just accomplishing the same thing chemically that this drug did. For a short time I thought that I was only capable of it with the drug because of my prior training, but I spoke to other people who'd had the same 'symptoms'.

Other things I've since learned since tend to support that, but..tl;dr.

[Veda]

Here's the original 'Stably exterior with full perception' thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost....&postcount=103

[Dulloldfart]

Here's the original 'Stably exterior with full perception' thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost....&postcount=103

But this new poll fingers the poster.

Paul

[Mystic]

For Hubbard tulpa-thing, "exteriorization" was delusional. For you and I, out-of-body experiences are not at all uncommon.

Hubbard-tulpa would end up on Venus going through the Markabian-Venusian Between Lives Implant.



Acceptance of ANY single datum spewed from this tulpa is personally spiritually dangerous. His intention had always been to make psychic vampire fodder.

We were playing around with all this GPM-and-implant business at St. Hill and during a By-Passed Charge Rundown I was being run on as a PC, I one fine day came up with The Between Lives Implant. I told my auditor, "Don't do anything with it, just write it down and mark it."


Well, she did. And a week later Hubbard-tulpa came out with his Markabian-Venusian Implants.

Oh gimme ah break.

[yon8008]

But this new poll fingers the poster.

Paul

Hey Paul, you answered "none of the above" - what's your experience?

[Voltaire's Child]

I voted none of the above because I'm answering the question from a third party standpoint and not my own experiences (I have gone exterior w/ full perceptics). I believe that sometimes people do that and sometimes they imagine it. There is no "it's always true" or "it's always delusion".

[dontscamme]

IMO many experiences in Scn are subjective, members are often in a mild hypnotic state of mind, and there is strong pressure to have "wins."

These factors, among others, can result in people believing they have "gone exterior" when, objectively speaking, there would be no evidence that this has actually occurred.