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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonKat View Post
    This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of Scientology International.
    :/ (Sorry about that.)
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    Here's another Dame Edna, with KD Lang.

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    Gay? Straight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by La La Lou Lou View Post
    Here's another Dame Edna, with KD Lang.

    Thanks, the DH one was linked in:



    Although, after all these years, the format is getting stale. I'ld like to see a return of the "combusting chops and sausages".
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    Im not afraid anymore, is Fiona Peechy at FLAG here in FL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte301 View Post
    Wow. So now they think homosexuality is catching? And they would have a person disconnect from their child and the mother for something like that?

    They never fail to make me rage.

    So glad you got out, notafraid. You were really smart to see the handwriting on the wall and run like hell.
    If I recall correctly, Science of Survival was written in 1951, in Havana, Cuba. LRH was there with his (since disowned) daughter Alexis, by his 2nd wife Sara (who he later described as a communist), and Richard DeMille. It was this book, that laid out the tone scale, and pegged Homosexuality as "1.1", and which largely feeds the Homophobia of the current church entity.

    Hubbard lost the copyrights to Dianetics during that time (and the first run of Science of Survival was only about 1200 copies), so being the creative chap that he was, he picked up on the e-meter from a chiropracter in California (Volney Mathison) and quickly started his Whole Track research and formulation of Axioms resulting in the subject of Scientology. One of the "discoveries" of Scientology at this time (touched upon in the book History of Man) was that Man was a composite being, consisting of no less than 7 entities, and potentially many, many more. (This pre-dates the OT III BT\Cluster phenomenon by 15 years.) The exact nature and characteristics of these "theta bodies", "idle spirits", etc was discussed in great detail in a series of lectures which can be found as the "Milestone One" lectures. Interestingly (as a side note) one lecture in that series was removed from the Pubs Org catalog at the time NOTs was released, and is not acknowledged by the current regime as ever existing. Anyway, back to the main point: in March of 1952, LRH had this to say about Homosexuality:
    Now, what is a case of homosexuality? You see a lot of
    these entities are identifiable as men, identifiable as
    women. Now, you take a young fellow, he's been going along
    just fine, he's a boy. Perfectly normal as a boy, and all
    of a sudden at the age of ten, some other boy seduces him
    or something of the sort, and after that he's a homosexual.
    What happened? Well, nothing very complicated about it.
    Regarding him and giving him approval all of a sudden
    validated a female entity. And this female entity says,
    "Aha! I've been validated; now I guess I'm boss around
    here." Moves in, takes over and that's that! How do you cure
    it? Straighten it out? Audit the old hag. That's easy. just
    audit and kick her out.

    HCL-21 ANATOMY OF THE THETA BODY
    5203CXX, HCL-21, March 1952 (exact date unknown)
    Back in my day, a person's sexual orientation was not used to judge or denigrate. It was not even really addressed as an "issue" unless the person themself asked for it to be addressed, It does appear that homophobia has now been institutionalized into an irrational response. I only mention the above, as I have not seen it mentioned in the "Hubbard on Homosexuality" data store.

    I am happy to see you speaking out IANAA.
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    Div6, very interesting. So in dianetics homosexuality was caused by extreme engrams, attempted abortions and the woman screaming you are a fag! then a couple of years later he realised that all you have to do is to audit the BT that thinks it's in charge then tell her to sod off and the guy suddenly gets turned on by Marilyn Munroe. (But anyway since when does a thetan have gender?) Yet somehow he failed to cure his own son, and a lengthy list of other failed cases on the subject. No wonder he didn't like gays.

    At the same time he was working on this 'problem' the psychiatrists were playing around with aversion therapy (engramatic in itself) and various other cures. Eventually they came to the conclusion that gender and sexuality varied, get over it.

    Perhaps it's time that cults and religions came to the same conclusion.

    An embryo in the early stages is not neutral, but female, hormones then are released that make it more male or more female. However it is common for some attributes of both genders to present in one person. All healthy humans produce and need both testosterone and Oestrogen.

    Absolute male or absolute female just doesn't exist. There are beautiful delicate female models, that climbed trees as a kid and loved to shoot rats, and footballers with wide shoulders that love to sew for their boyfriends. So what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Div6 View Post
    If I recall correctly, Science of Survival was written in 1951, in Havana, Cuba. LRH was there with his (since disowned) daughter Alexis, by his 2nd wife Sara (who he later described as a communist), and Richard DeMille. It was this book, that laid out the tone scale, and pegged Homosexuality as "1.1", and which largely feeds the Homophobia of the current church entity.

    Hubbard lost the copyrights to Dianetics during that time (and the first run of Science of Survival was only about 1200 copies), so being the creative chap that he was, he picked up on the e-meter from a chiropracter in California (Volney Mathison) and quickly started his Whole Track research and formulation of Axioms resulting in the subject of Scientology. One of the "discoveries" of Scientology at this time (touched upon in the book History of Man) was that Man was a composite being, consisting of no less than 7 entities, and potentially many, many more. (This pre-dates the OT III BT\Cluster phenomenon by 15 years.) The exact nature and characteristics of these "theta bodies", "idle spirits", etc was discussed in great detail in a series of lectures which can be found as the "Milestone One" lectures. Interestingly (as a side note) one lecture in that series was removed from the Pubs Org catalog at the time NOTs was released, and is not acknowledged by the current regime as ever existing. Anyway, back to the main point: in March of 1952, LRH had this to say about Homosexuality:


    Back in my day, a person's sexual orientation was not used to judge or denigrate. It was not even really addressed as an "issue" unless the person themself asked for it to be addressed, It does appear that homophobia has now been institutionalized into an irrational response. I only mention the above, as I have not seen it mentioned in the "Hubbard on Homosexuality" data store.

    I am happy to see you speaking out IANAA.
    Based on my own experience, I would disagree with hubtard.

    Of course, I had already picked up anti-straight experiences along the way. I was only about six years old, and this girl who lived across the street was trying to get me to kis her "down there". At that age, that thing only performed one function, the necessity to sit on the loo when peeing, and I wasn't going anyhwere near it. I later learned that the three girls in that house we being done over by their "step-father".

    At about 14 or 15 (way below the age of consent in those days), A slimy character attempted to seduce me (convinced by someone else that I was part of the local hidden gay scene) and I was somewhat traumatized by the whole thing further reinforcing my anti-gay dogma.

    So I was experiencially turned away from the female pudenda, and my anti-gay dogma programming made sure that I felt dirty and degraded even although nothing had actually happened.

    I was pretty much ostracised by students because of this "common knowledge" that I was gay which was very hurtful, because having been raised JW, even self-relief was an abominable act.

    Later, at about twenty-four I fell under the spell of a young (not so) lady, who turned out to be someone who collected notches on her belt, so I didn't lose my virginity. It was stolen!

    I later tried another straight relationship, but couldn't keep up with this nympho, so the relationship dissolved, but intelligently we continued to live in the same house without fuss.

    Because I never learned all the right signals and the right things to say, even my gay encounters have been rather incomplete, but I have no desire to revisit that piece of stale liver cut in half with a blunt ax.

    There are only two things in this world that smell like fish. One of them is fish.
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    Royal Prince, don't worry, keep practising, you'll get there in the end.

    What you need is a loving relationship with someone you feel really relaxed with. Don't feel pressurised into the 'normal' gay casual sex thing if it's not your thing. The relationship is more important than the act. Endless hours of humping and grunting a day can be fun, but the excitement soon wears off and in the end it's the love and hugs that count. One nights stands just do not satisfy long term.

    Porn doesn't help, sex can actually be fun and not arrogant and cold. Try not to shout ''take this be-atch!''

    There really is a difference between love making and lust relieving.

    In the net there's so much money to be made by the gay porn industry, it just concentrates on the wrong part of things. There's nothing wrong with the icing on a cake, but if you don't have the main course too and then the cake along with the icing...well you'll probably get sick.

    There's very few role models for happy gay people in the media, but there's plenty of couples I know that have been together for decades.

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    I loved the rancid liver slit with an axe thing!

    I laughed my tits off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by La La Lou Lou View Post
    There really is a difference between love making and lust relieving.
    It saddens me to think that the "best" sex was that first fictitious relationship because I believed it to be the real thing. When I look at it as a purely physical thing, it was pretty mundane, but because I had made an emotional investment it seemed "better".

    Quote Originally Posted by La La Lou Lou View Post
    I loved the rancid liver slit with an axe thing!

    I laughed my tits off!
    Not mine, sorry. I stole it from a magazine. You do have to admit that the male equivalent ain't all that pretty either, giving a much more accurate meaning to the expression, "bump uglies".
    Last edited by Gordon Clarke; 16th March 2011 at 07:11 AM.
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