Free Heber!!

[HelluvaHoax!]

I like strawberry.

I like ice cream too, but I prefer vanilla.

Glad to hear you like ice cream, but strawberry is much better.

No it’s not. Vanilla is better.

Like I said, strawberry is much, much better. In fact, you’re not so bright, are you?

I’m plenty bright. If strawberry is so great, why does it have those stupid red things in there, not to mention those seeds?

The seeds aren’t the point – it’s the flavor of the strawberries that’s so good. You’re an idiot if you can’t recognize that’s the main difference that makes it so good. I mean better.

Why would anybody except a stupid asshole need anything except the purest form of ice cream ever invented – vanilla. What’s wrong with you that you need anything added to the original ice cream?

Fuck you! You have never even tried strawberry ice cream, have you? You stupid fucking asshole! What are you doing here? This is a place for people who love strawberry ice cream!

No, fuck you! And I never will try it. You are the stupid fucking asshole. And not even just you, but all the other people who prefer vanilla – even if it’s not the only flavor they ever eat.

It's so disgraceful when people cannot settle their petty, misguided differences by simply finding out what kind of ice cream Ron prefers.

[smartone]

....or someone who has specific, firsthand knowledge of Heber being taken there against his will or similar.

How about Mike Rinder?

[Gottabrain]

I am sure it is exactly because Heber hasn't been trotted out at the last BDay thing that authorities can consider him a missing person.

Regardless of Heber's past, I'd like to see the Indies stretch their muscles at using Aged Care Protection laws to get him out of the hole. Because those laws are far more extensive and this is a terrific opportunity to put them to use. This can possibly open the door to hundreds of other Aged Care abuse cases against the C of S.

The question keeps coming up "Does he want to be freed"? If he were interviewed by authorities in a safe environment without repercussion, we would find that out, wouldn't we? Until that happens, we can only guess.

About Guillaume and others being trotted out and/or used for posts while in the RPF - it happens. I was taken as an RPFer to run the entire worldwide Call-In for the LRH is Dead event in 1986 but not "off" the RPF. The C of S is full of contradictions like this. But it doesn't change their situations or mean that they enjoy any decent standards on the RPF once the "event" is over.

The RPF is a thousand times worse than any normal jail. If helping Heber helps expose the RPF abuses, I'm all for it.

But there is also the possibility that if Heber doesn't WANT to get out, it all blows up in our faces and we all take a step backwards.

[Atalantan]

Okay, maybe you can absolve Heber for lying like a motherfucker. But...

When I pay a fortune to buy the "ultimate truths" about the universe, it is disappointing to find out that the person selling it to me is a liar.

Give me my money back, Heber, and all is forgiven.

What's that you say, Heber, you don't have my money any more?

You say you took a vow of poverty?

I didn't.

I don't want to absolve Heber or any of them. I was a protester in the 60s. And I do think there was probably a point when Heber saw what was happening and might have resigned as "Prez" or "Press Secretary" or whatever.

Perhaps he thought he could improve things from inside. From reading this board, it seems many people find it difficult to leave because the Co$ exploits every possible weakness or point of leverage to keep staff in.

If he has family in there, that's powerful leverage. Threats of harm against anyone and everyone you care about, are implied in the control operations of a fascist/Stalinist organization. If you don't cooperate and toe the line, they can let you know it won't go easy on your loved ones.

In the days of the Soviet Union, usually only one member of a family was allowed to travel to other countries. The rest were in fact hostages. Everyone understood quite clearly that if they defected to the West, anything could happen to their friends and loved ones, including death.

It's easy for Americans to say "Each person has free will, he can just walk away." In reality, it's not always so easy to do.

I had family employed by the CIA. It is a fact that perfectly decent people were "convinced" to spy on their own country, by the threat of harm to their wives, children, parents, or friends.

I have no doubt the Co$ is operating the same way - there is ample testimony on these boards.

DM has no conscience and is capable of murder, we already know this. He has killed many people.

We do not know what kind of binds the people who are still in have been put in, but we have a pretty good idea.

Many of these people may turn out to be like some East Germans, after the fall or the Berlin Wall, or American POWs returned from North Korean prisons after the Korean War. Many did not recover.

Some of the Co$ may never recover either. That doesn't mean we should not try to free them.

[HelluvaHoax!]

But there is also the possibility that if Heber doesn't WANT to get out, it all blows up in our faces and we all take a step backwards.

That is a real scenario when it comes to scIRONYtology. Things are typically the exact opposite of what you expect or they should be.

In that scenario, Heber is taken out and freed by protective service and police. Much is made of his rescue.

The next day, a press conference is held with Heber. Instead of divulging the horrors of his captivity, he uses it as an extraordinary PR Opportunity to tell the world how wonderful Ron's tech is, how fantastic Int Base is---and how evil and insane the psychs are who lied about him being imprisoned.

And he'd lie about you and any other Ex who tried to help him, throwing you under the bus and backing up over you, again and again, until the process was flat.

You might find yourself watching Heber on TV with your mouth open, not believing how he repays your kindness and compassion.

If you trust Heber the Scientologist, go ahead, help him.

[Pinyeahtee]

Heber's got approximately 42 siblings,, several ex-wives and a son that should be doing this if in fact he's hostage there.

I hope someone checked with his exwife, Karen de la Carriere at Karendelac@aol.com as was done in the past. Ask her what's going on.

Does anyone know if Karen is still in? I know she hasn't been in the SO for quite some time, but she used to have links to Scientology on her website but I just checked it and all references to Scientology are gone from her website. I knew Karen very well on the Apollo and Clearwater, but haven't been in touch with her since I left.

Has anyone been in touch with her lately? I agree that she'd be a good person to ask about Heber. She might have some ideas.

Monica

[HelluvaHoax!]

I was a protester in the 60s.

Cool! Peace brother/sister!

I heard that Heber organized a protest the other day for RPFers.

It was based on those 60's AntiWar Protests you speak of.



It was a bit different than what you and I think of as a protest against the establishment. Matter of fact, they were protesting against the wog world--where people are free to think and post their ideas on ESMB.

Heber was holding a sign that said: "$UPPORT OUR GI" and leading everyone in a chant: "HELL NO WE WON'T BLOW!"

When i gave him the peace sign, he started to give it back to me but stopped half way. I guess 1 out of 2 fingers is a compromise and he is making progress?

[JBTrendy]

I just noticed I got my first star! Newbie no more!

[WildKat]

I like strawberry.

I like ice cream too, but I prefer vanilla.

Glad to hear you like ice cream, but strawberry is much better.

No it’s not. Vanilla is better.

Like I said, strawberry is much, much better. In fact, you’re not so bright, are you?

I’m plenty bright. If strawberry is so great, why does it have those stupid red things in there, not to mention those seeds?

The seeds aren’t the point – it’s the flavor of the strawberries that’s so good. You’re an idiot if you can’t recognize that’s the main difference that makes it so good. I mean better.

Why would anybody except a stupid asshole need anything except the purest form of ice cream ever invented – vanilla. What’s wrong with you that you need anything added to the original ice cream?

Fuck you! You have never even tried strawberry ice cream, have you? You stupid fucking asshole! What are you doing here? This is a place for people who love strawberry ice cream!

No, fuck you! And I never will try it. You are the stupid fucking asshole. And not even just you, but all the other people who prefer vanilla – even if it’s not the only flavor they ever eat.

I just read this whole thread from start to finish and then came to this .... and just completely lost it! Thanks, I really needed a good belly laugh. Not to make light of this serious discussion, but I guess it was time to make light of it! Thank you TG1!

[JBTrendy]

Excellent find!

Come on Atalantan this is a very personal request that has nothing to do on a public site.

People are free to choose whatever drug or sexe they want to live theyr life.

24h sober from alchool and 3 weeks out of drugs is what you need to get on course or in session. It's only a matter of being willing to help the individual with the tech. Purif and drug rundown could be needed and is up to the CS to decide and distingo between street and psych drugs need to be cancelled. When the tech works it works for all. Now as far as sexe is concerned in the old days Ron and Scientologists didn't give a shit and enjoyed life.

All2U