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    Mary, it is a great idea to notify Adult Protective Services as well as Hebers family and other law enforcement agencies. I know many have done that several times over the years including even the United Nations, the Embassies of foreign nationals being held in the RPF and the Secretary of State. It is essential that the pressure be kept up on these agencies and a whole new group of people like the Independent scientologists, Anons, Freezoners and all of the rest of us might finally push the walls down and get people out of there.

    From the responses to Rinders article it seems to me their agenda is to free Heber as a PR tactic for the Indies because Heber was a well known Opinion Leader, while still protecting LRH and scientology. This is sad, but typical of scientologists, which the Indies are.

    You’ll be asked why didn’t you report to police etc and just say it’s complicated but Miscavige isn’t LRH and DM’s gotta go so stfu and next question please.
    Why not just tell the truth and admit that there is LRH policy against reporting crimes in the cult to any authorities?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSneakster View Post
    A campaign to free Heber is now being organized. Marty is contacting Amnesty International for assistance.
    How come we never thought of contacting Amnesty International before?!?!?

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    One minute in picketers yell "Free Heber.":



    I say, anyone who knows or has a reasonable suspicion that Mr. Jentzsch is being mistreated or neglected in any way should contact Adult Protective Services for Riverside County, by law they HAVE to open a case, assign a social worker to it and investigate all allegations of elder abuse.

    Your reporting can be done anonymously.

    24 hour Adult Protective Services Hotline phone number: 800-491-7123

    email: dpssinquiry@riversidedpss.org

    website: http://dpss.co.riverside.ca.us/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Dent View Post

    Bottom line: Heber should be saved. So should all the others in the hole. They, because of the brainwashing cult and, yes, because of their agreement to it, have demonstrated that they no longer have the good sense to know they can get out despite the illusion to the contrary.
    So, yes, they need to be saved. One and all. By whatever means.
    For Christ sake!
    I nearly threw up on my laptop!

    These helpless suckers need to be saved?!
    You have got to be kidding!
    I would like to be all understanding, helpful, loving and forgiving.

    But I am not! I am not, because I have not yet advanced dementia.
    I can still remember 1982/83, recalling which kind of people walked the line with David Miscavige. You had to have a certain mindset to be qualified as "new tough breed of management".

    This breed declared my friends SP just by whim, saw nothing wrong kicking decent staff out the street not even leaving them time to collect their personal items.
    Now, all of a sudden, quite some of this formerly so "tough breed" is now in the hole, completely helpless?
    Is that really so? Or are they in the hole because they realized belonging there?

    Being free is a decision!
    Nobody is bigger than oneself, nobody other will ever be able to tell what is right or wrong. If deep inside you disagree with something, well, just don't do it! Don't ever do anything you feel wouldn't be right!

    And David Miscavige is nothing, he has no real power over anyone.

    It's all an illusion! True power lies in oneself. All it needs is to overcome one's fears, fears of death, fear of loosing one's eternity, status, fear of loosing friendship or even one's family. It sounds cruel and there seem to be many "ifs" and "buts". But the truth is - a man who lost his fears is FREE!.

    Freedom is a simple word.. and the word is - "NO"

    I feel like shouting in the woods, wasting my breath, just like you do by wanting to save people not in need of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthasar View Post
    For Christ sake!
    I nearly threw up on my laptop!

    These helpless suckers need to be saved?!
    You have got to be kidding!
    I would like to be all understanding, helpful, loving and forgiving.

    But I am not! I am not, because I have not yet advanced dementia.
    I can still remember 1982/83, recalling which kind of people walked the line with David Miscavige. You had to have a certain mindset to be qualified as "new tough breed of management".

    This breed declared my friends SP just by whim, saw nothing wrong kicking decent staff out the street not even leaving them time to collect their personal items.
    Now, all of a sudden, quite some of this formerly so "tough breed" is now in the hole, completely helpless?
    Is that really so? Or are they in the hole because they realized belonging there?

    Being free is a decision!
    Nobody is bigger than oneself, nobody other will ever be able to tell what is right or wrong. If deep inside you disagree with something, well, just don't do it! Don't ever do anything you feel wouldn't be right!

    And David Miscavige is nothing, he has no real power over anyone.

    It's all an illusion! True power lies in oneself. All it needs is to overcome one's fears, fears of death, fear of loosing one's eternity, status, fear of loosing friendship or even one's family. It sounds cruel and there seem to be many "ifs" and "buts". But the truth is - a man who lost his fears is FREE!.

    Freedom is a simple word.. and the word is - "NO"

    I feel like shouting in the woods, wasting my breath, just like you do by wanting to save people not in need of it.
    This could be THE vehicle to piggyback ride on to get the children out.
    http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/vanderkolk/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonKat View Post
    This could be THE vehicle to piggyback ride on to get the children out.
    I think they killed all the children they would have had since the 1986 order that Sea Org couldn't have children. Also, because of the current publicity and lawsuits they are probably offloading any underaged children they cannibalized from the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladybird View Post
    I think they killed all the children they would have had since the 1986 order that Sea Org couldn't have children. Also, because of the current publicity and lawsuits they are probably offloading any underaged children they cannibalized from the public.
    NO they just find new RAW MEAT.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=17307
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    Come on... Mike Rinder and Marty R ... it should be 'FREE THE PEOPLE' Heber is one of many in the SO and on staff who are being mistreated and having their rights violated.

    Think big ... 'when you thought of one person think of hundred'....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaHoax! View Post
    Things forgotten about Heber....

    * He was a shrill shill for a fraud called Scientology for many years.

    * He spent the majority of his life doing everything possible to protect a con game that raped people of their lives and money.

    * He deserves freedom, but not more than any other person living in this world. His notoriety and celebrity are meaningless in terms of evaluating his worthiness . Because he abused that celebrity and media access as currency to protect and cover up a criminal organization.

    * Heber has the key to his own freedom already. It is called truth. (e.g. drop a dime, call a cop. or call a journalist or reporter--the ones that he called an SP enemy of mankind all those years)

    Heber can leave Int any old damn time he decides to be truthful. It's not a Nazi concentration camp, for God's sake, its a stupidly managed, ineptly guarded cult compound. Anyone with half a brain could leave.

    If Heber's brains are so fried that he can't figure a way out, then he deserves to be there cuz he damaged his own brains by abusing himself (and others) with the technology of Scientology.

    Too cruel? Why? Does a celebrity have special rights to freedom that ordinary people do not? The answer is no. They don't. So, let's see Heber the Scientologist OT use some of his OT powers to walk outside of a simple gate.

    Hey, let me take 3-5 seconds and figure out how Heber could escape if he wanted to..................Okay, got it.

    Heber, just pretend you are having a heart attack, seizure or other meat-body reaction that would make Senior Management worried about their PR (not your life, buddy, their image). You were a (bad) actor in your day. Just fake it, fall down and foam a little bit at the mouth and use some of those zombie TR's too. They'll call an ambulance for ya.

    And then when you are safely in the hospital tell them to bring a policeman in to take your report and let them know about the fruity Sea Org guards they have posted or the PI's that are hanging around to keep an eye on you.

    Now that simple idea will get you out of Int Base in about 30 minutes.

    I am sure you can do better than me Heber, cuz I'm just an SP and you are an Operating Thetan.

    If anyone cringes from the heartless way I am addressing Heber (above) i suggest that you maybe have forgotten what a complete, unadulterated asshole bully Heber was if anyone got in the way of Scientology conquering the world with its lies and fake tech.

    No mercy. He is where he belongs because Heber was one of the people that built the worldwide criminal enterprise called Scientology.
    Yeah Hoaxie, I agree with all you say here including the escape plan. I don't think DM should be the judge jury and jailer for Heber's failings whatever they are. Heber has dirty hands as they all do at int. But let the standard justice system deal with it.

    It is sad that all these poor sods have totally mis spent their whole fucking lives but a life spent perpetuating misery, fraud and suffering upon others may have some karmic consequences.... As we see.

    I would like to see them all freed and the whole cancerous blight of int base disassembled.

    I think Mary's idea is good and if Marty and enough others in the US pushed it to extend to all prisoners another FBI raid could be in the offing.

    BTW, Heber and the other inmates have another way out, if they were to become so unruly and physically dangerous to DM his natural cowardice will bring him to offload them.

    For the tame bunch of prisoners and slaves (read free beings) at int base SP hole, here's a new process for you to run; "Look around here and find something that can be used as a weapon" "look around here and find someone who might also like to escape" run alternately to EP.
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