Spirituality, Consciousne & the 8th Dynamic

[lexmark]

I am quite interested in the consensus of this website. I have posted a few posts concerning the topics mentioned in the heading and have received quite a few replies refuting such things as God, Spirituality etc.

As mentioned in earlier posts of mine Scientology started off with the concept of spirituality and reincarnation and the possibility of a higher power (8th dynamic). It is this concept that brought so many people into Scientology in the formative years. Later it was the harsh ethics, over boards and disconnection policy that started putting Scientology in a bad light.

In today’s world the higher human values such as love, compassion, understanding and the like are defined as spiritual values. In the article I posted that was published in the Russian newspaper Pravda, they mention this in part, where the people maintained their higher values such as the classics and ballet as opposed to the pop culture of the West which eventually defeated communism in Russia. From my perspective it appears that with the likes of Obama, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair they have this neo communistic design for the West. It appears when a nation adopts a materialist paradigm of existence, they forsake their higher values in pursuit of material things which could bring about such philosophies as communism. Western politicians practice materialism in their daily running of their countries despite many of them being religious and this is due to the onslaught of the scientific materialism in the West.

If the purpose of this website is to bring about a reform of Scientology such as bringing about an end to the policy of disconnection, RPF and harsh ethics and bring about the end to families being split apart then maybe we need to present something which is better or whatever. You cannot really free people from something, you need to free them INTO something.

Your thoughts.

Travers Harris

[Dulloldfart]

Your thoughts.

Travers Harris

Aren't you Amdi? I'm confused over your identity. You say you're not he, then sign off with yet another nick (Travers), that was used by a different username here on ESMB who admitted he was Amdi. It is difficult to have a serious discussion with someone who seems to be lying about his identity.

Paul

EDIT: I meant Amit, not Amdi. Ignore this post. I need some coffee.

[lexmark]

Don't hide behind my identity, I am who I say.

Can you answer the post or would you rather hide behind your assumed name.

Travers

[Dulloldfart]

Whoops. My apologies, Travers. My mistake.

To comment on the subject matter of your post, I don't see there being a whole lot of agreement here about much more than that the abuses of the CofS have to end. Individuals on ESMB have their own ideas about God, the 8th dynamic, Allah, whatever. It's freedom of choice. As soon as someone presents "the thing" people should believe in that freedom of choice has gone — it's as bad as Hubbard's my way or the highway in KSW.

Paul

[lexmark]

The abuses in Scientology cannot be blamed on Miscavige, he is simply carrying out the teachings which LRH created. Although I was on the ship while LRH created these conditions I never agreed with them. I feel that I could think for myself and not be a party to something that I did not agree with. Norman Starkey, a raving lunatic and a very weak minded individual was very fond of these conditions and the RPF. He was placed in charge of Author Services by LRH, one of the top posts in the outfit.

Miscavige is probably of similar mental capacity to Starkey and will continue with LRH's teachings as it is implanted in his mind. A paradigm shift is needed.

It appears that nothing the law says or what humanitarian organizations say or what anyone says,they will carry on with their abuses because in their mind it is not wrong.

[degraded being]

The first part about the 8th dynamic etc bringing so many people in, in the early years...
I think you're wrong there. It was dynametics that brought the suckers in. Get rid of your reactive mind. Find out how to deal with your ruin.
The rest of your post is an overt product. You get stats for that?
No wonder the COS is going down the gurgler so fast.

[Smilla]

[QUOTE=degraded being;405534]The first part about the 8th dynamic etc bringing so many people in, in the early years...
I think you're wrong there. It was dynametics that brought the suckers in. Get rid of your reactive mind. Find out how to deal with your ruin.
The rest of your post is an overt product. You get stats for that?
No wonder the COS is going down the gurgler so fast.[/QUOTJ
Just as you say.

[JBTrendy]

I am quite interested in the consensus of this website. I have posted a few posts concerning the topics mentioned in the heading and have received quite a few replies refuting such things as God, Spirituality etc.

As mentioned in earlier posts of mine Scientology started off with the concept of spirituality and reincarnation and the possibility of a higher power (8th dynamic). It is this concept that brought so many people into Scientology in the formative years. Later it was the harsh ethics, over boards and disconnection policy that started putting Scientology in a bad light.

In today’s world the higher human values such as love, compassion, understanding and the like are defined as spiritual values. In the article I posted that was published in the Russian newspaper Pravda, they mention this in part, where the people maintained their higher values such as the classics and ballet as opposed to the pop culture of the West which eventually defeated communism in Russia. From my perspective it appears that with the likes of Obama, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair they have this neo communistic design for the West. It appears when a nation adopts a materialist paradigm of existence, they forsake their higher values in pursuit of material things which could bring about such philosophies as communism. Western politicians practice materialism in their daily running of their countries despite many of them being religious and this is due to the onslaught of the scientific materialism in the West.

If the purpose of this website is to bring about a reform of Scientology such as bringing about an end to the policy of disconnection, RPF and harsh ethics and bring about the end to families being split apart then maybe we need to present something which is better or whatever. You cannot really free people from something, you need to free them INTO something.

Your thoughts.

Travers Harris

Hi Travers,

On this beautifull sunday from Paris

God bless you my friend

As a science Scientology doesn't interfere with the 8th dynamic but ethics does and that's one of the main puzzle Scientologists have been facing with the application of this tech.

Ron says also that infinite is a concept that speaks to all of us as we all are coming from there.

It's all up to you as usual.

Now the seperation of the fields of religions and politics is a must. In France we call it "laïcité" meaning the state respect individual beliefs and practices but don't make any difference in treatment and recognition of them. That's in our republic ideals and it works well when truly applied.

All2U

[La La Lou Lou]

Interesting point Trendy, how can you be ethical if can't do the greatest good for the greatest number if you haven't a clue what the eighth actually is.

On that basis alone, on their own terms I could say that the majority of Scientologists are unable to be ethical in their judgements.

[Blue Spirit]

The abuses in Scientology cannot be blamed on Miscavige, he is simply carrying out the teachings which LRH created. Although I was on the ship while LRH created these conditions I never agreed with them. I feel that I could think for myself and not be a party to something that I did not agree with. Norman Starkey, a raving lunatic and a very weak minded individual was very fond of these conditions and the RPF. He was placed in charge of Author Services by LRH, one of the top posts in the outfit.

Miscavige is probably of similar mental capacity to Starkey and will continue with LRH's teachings as it is implanted in his mind. A paradigm shift is needed.

It appears that nothing the law says or what humanitarian organizations say or what anyone says,they will carry on with their abuses because in their mind it is not wrong.

Your two posts above show some real wisdom and are appreciated.

I agree.

Norman Starkey is one whose insanity I saw a long time ago, and with DM
stole the copyrights starting with the forged will signature of LRH who was
comatose on drugs.

I look forward to more of your posts.

I've noticed that we have had a number of new quality posters come here recently.