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    Default Ron's big change.

    Ok so Ron studied Freud. He read that a weak father figure and a strong dominant mother produce a homosexual son.

    His own son Quentin was gay, a fact that Ron hated.

    Did he hate the fact because it meant by Freudian logic that he was a weak and pathetic father, that Mary Sue was bigger than him?

    Was this the point when Ron really became a tyrant, was this the big turning point, or was he always an overpowering meglamaniac?

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    Only someone who is an overwhelming megalomaniac (and crazy to boot) would even think up a system like Scientology. But don't forget that Hubbard also had an amazing ability to discard inconvenient facts, so if he read Freud, my bet is that he thought Freud was wrong -- at least on this issue.

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    I think that he was a dysfunctional person from early on, but steadily got worse for the rest of his life because of his drug and alcohol abuse.

    Narcissistic personality disorder


    • Believing that you're better than others
    • Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
    • Exaggerating your achievements or talents
    • Expecting constant praise and admiration
    • Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
    • Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
    • Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
    • Taking advantage of others
    • Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
    • Being jealous of others
    • Believing that others are jealous of you
    • Trouble keeping healthy relationships
    • Setting unrealistic goals
    • Being easily hurt and rejected
    • Having a fragile self-esteem
    • Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nar...CTION=symptoms
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    My dear Smilla, you are right of course, he was chucking incomprehensibly stupid people overboard and strutting his amazingly modest yet good looking red headed stuff ages before he realised that his ungrateful son let him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilla View Post
    I think that he was a dysfunctional person from early on, but steadily got worse for the rest of his life because of his drug and alcohol abuse.

    Narcissistic personality disorder


    • Believing that you're better than others
    • Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
    • Exaggerating your achievements or talents
    • Expecting constant praise and admiration
    • Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
    • Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
    • Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
    • Taking advantage of others
    • Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
    • Being jealous of others
    • Believing that others are jealous of you
    • Trouble keeping healthy relationships
    • Setting unrealistic goals
    • Being easily hurt and rejected
    • Having a fragile self-esteem
    • Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nar...CTION=symptoms
    I read this list and it appears that every person on this board but me fits this description.

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    A Psychologist from the 60s, with a real degree, might have claimed that LRH's son became a homosexual to get revenge on LRH.

    But today a doctor, with a real degree, might claim that LRH's son might have been a homosexual because of his DNA.

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    Now given the two choices and given the way Ron views things ya think he would pick the first over the second.

    Of course Dianteics and Dianetics might have made the claim that LRH's son became a homosexual because of an Attempted Abortion.

    Ron should have just let his kid be himself.

    And maybe he should have read a few books on being a dad.

    Then again that's Ron for ya.

    Rd00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rene Descartes View Post
    A Psychologist from the 60s, with a real degree, might have claimed that LRH's son became a homosexual to get revenge on LRH.

    But today a doctor, with a real degree, might claim that LRH's son might have been a homosexual because of his DNA.

    ...

    ...

    ...

    ...

    ...

    Now given the two choices and given the way Ron views things ya think he would pick the first over the second.

    Of course Dianteics and Dianetics might have made the claim that LRH's son became a homosexual because of an Attempted Abortion.

    Ron should have just let his kid be himself.

    And maybe he should have read a few books on being a dad.

    Then again that's Ron for ya.

    Rd00
    Yes he should certainly have loved him for being himself. Gay or not doesn't matter at all. Hubbard achieved wealth, reputation and power, but he failed at the most important thing of all: being loving and kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanzo View Post
    I read this list and it appears that every person on this board but me fits this description.
    How could any list do justice to your magnificence?
    "Your Freezone stinks."

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    "It is true that the term FZ includes many varients of Scn, and some may be inadequate. Or even wrong headed."

    - Terril Park


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    I totally agree, Smilla. There was no 'change.' Hubbard just got worse, which is what sociopaths and narcissists due. Old age is a beeatch for them, worse by many degrees of magnitude than for the rest of us.
    You must realize that there is very little actual courage in this world. It's pretty easy to bend people around. It doesn't take much to shut people up, it really doesn't. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.

    We've come a long way, babies.

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    Default Gay?

    LLL, I like your logic. Insightful.

    I question whether Quentin was gay. The consensus was clear that outwardly he was soft spoken and not very macho. This doesn't mean he's gay. I never met Quentin but had it from a pretty reliable source that he was hetero. ?

    LRH's response to anything but perfection was typically immature and shallow. I suspect that the narcissism tag explains his fathering all too well. Hubbard went nutzo on a fairly frequent basis at least going back to the beginning of Dianetics. I think it's fair to say that Hub had been going waco for quite some time before Quentin came of age. Read what LRH Jr. had to say about him!

    I'm noticing that kids start acting in very disappointing ways especially in their late teens. This phase tends to end after 5 or 10 years. LRH's kids seem to fit this mold and it probably helped to drive LRH further over the edge.

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