Sea Org Children: The Final Solution

[Bea Kiddo]

Just musing to myself. OK, let's say it is true that a kid is a timeless thetan in a young body.

Does it really follow logically from that that a kid has all the responsibilities of an adult? It's obvious the body has to develop. You don't expect that timeless thetan to be able to walk and use the toilet immediately on birth.

And no one expects that timeless thetan to emerge from birth fully able to speak -- that means some brain development has to occur. To use a Scn term, this is really observation of the obvious -- obnosis.

Since it is obvious that thetans do not emerge as babies capable of the full range of "wog" adult responsibilities -- or even Scn capabilities, then how exactly did Scn establish how and at what level kids would be held responsible? (That's a rhetorical question -- but it seems to me that the answer lies in LRH's own childhood experiences and resentments.)

My mind is still reeling from the reality of sec checks on 6 year olds. And before age 6, I guess you are off the hook from sec checks but as a timeless thetan you don't need that stupid love an parental attention that any idiot "wog" can tell you is crucial to human development of language and well being.

Methinks the emperor does have clothes after all, and that he looks good in black.

You kid? Just curious.

Your description above is how it is being raised in the Sea Org. There is no patience in teaching. There is ethics for not knowing already.

And I have seen kids under age 6 get sec checks.

[Crashed Alien]

Then I read this kid's story, posted today: CJR's Story

cadet,

I read this. Actually, I read it a few times.

There is not a lot I can say about it right now, I am very upset - I have seen a few of this "type" of story posted - And I am not saying that to belittle it or categorise it - I am appalled - CJR is very brave and has suffered an ordeal that I would not wish, and would not inflict on anyone.

I was born into Scientology too. I have been involved to one degree or another since 1964...

I did not have this dreadful experience - Mine was quite different... and I am not sure right now if it was better or worse, or on the same level... I find I can't talk about it yet - I am not ready - It is all confused and wound up like a ball of string in my mind. I am trying to unravel it.

It must be part of waking up, getting back to reality and establishing just where things are messed up... It is hard to know where to start at the moment.

I feel so upset for CJR that I want to somehow take the hurt away... I almost feel bad that I didn't have the experience instead - that it happened to CJR and not to me. But then, at the same time I'm glad that it didn't. That feels wrong, sounds wrong... Not sure if I am making sense now...

All we can do is offer a supportive and helping hand.

And hopefully, CJR will be a little bit happier and will recover as much as is possible. I do hope so.

I decided that I am going to keep talking, even if it is abrasive, even if it is inflammatory and I come across as a fanatic.

I am glad to hear that, very glad.

You have already helped me a great deal, and I am very grateful, I thank you for that...

I am not sure where I'd be right now if you, and others who have been supportive and open had not been there...

Happily, that's not a road I now need to tread!

Crash

[Crashed Alien]

Cadet, you have every right to be angry. The treatment of children in the CoS and particularly the Sea Org, is something that makes a lot of people angry, including me.

I understand what you say about wanting to preserve your privacy and finding other personal stories uncomfortable to read. However, if no one told their story, then no one would know what happened. We can’t change what has happened in the past, but we can at least bring to account those responsible for the abuses, and stop it happening in the future. But to do this we have to get support from those responsible for protecting the human rights of others and enforcing the laws.

One way is to document all these personal stories and produce them as evidence. These can be passed to the media, as has already happened, and pressure applied to the ‘authorities’. It is an unfortunate fact that often those in positions of power will only act if they receive enough pressure from the media or other vocal groups. If we make enough noise, then they will have to act.

And, if nothing else, telling one’s story is a very cathartic experience. So many times, I have seen people carry around the burden of their experiences and suffering and not even realise how much it is affecting their lives right now. The simple action of talking about what they went through, especially with sympathetic and understanding people with shared experiences, can work miracles.

There was a time when I was very angry with my local organisation (St Hill Foundation), especially when they tried to weasel out of returning the money that I had on account for unused services. But then, I thought, “Who am I angry at?”

The staff who are over-worked, under-rested and constantly battling against unrealistic targets and huge pressure who can’t confront the problem of finding £20,000 when they can’t afford the basics of a decent life for themselves? They are worse off than me. Much worse in fact, they are stuck in a brainwashing cult - I escaped.

Once I realised this, things became a lot easier for me and I wasn’t consumed by my anger. Yes, I still feel anger when I read of some horrific personal experience or how the cult continues to abuse the human rights of others, but it doesn’t dominate my feeling towards the members of the cult. Mostly I feel sadness and pity.

I hope that you will continue to keep talking, you are valued here.

Axiom142

Thank you for that post - It is all so true - I have similar feelings although not quite as calm and settled (yet?).

Crash

[La La Lou Lou]

My question is if there are any kids around saint hill now, a cadet org or young teenagers recruited along with their parents or by themselves. I understand the past neglect and abuse of kids, but what of now?

[La La Lou Lou]

Any of you guys with trauma that's hard to deal with, there are organisations that help adult survivors of child neglect and abuse. Good counselling does really help and it's nothing like auditing. These are UK based, other areas have their own, and there's plenty more on google.

http://www.supportline.org.uk/proble..._survivors.php

If there was any sexual abuse these guys are great
http://www.thesurvivorstrust.org/

[solo]

My question is if there are any kids around saint hill now, a cadet org or young teenagers recruited along with their parents or by themselves. I understand the past neglect and abuse of kids, but what of now?

There is still a Sea Org school at Walsh Manor, near Crowborough. You can look up its OFSTED report. Of course, it all looks lovely, blah blah! Most of them unsurprisingly, do their "work experience" at Saint Hill........

Solo

[La La Lou Lou]

Yes the inspector seems to have been impressed.

[solo]

Yes the inspector seems to have been impressed.

Surprise surprise! Were you ever involved in the berthing re-organizations at Stonelands when a council inspection was expected?

Solo

[La La Lou Lou]

Ah yes, the moving of furniture into storage just in time for inspectors to see a nicely ordered space. Yes I had done some shifting of beds. It was probably the Ballroom, which could look quite good when tarted up. Stonelands was supposed to be a school too wasn't it? Would you call that strangely devious behaviour for a 'church'?

I must say though with only 12 pupils it's not surprising that there is a good atmosphere, normal UK schools are having 30 plus in a class, with a few high and a few looking out for their chemical supplier. These kids spend half their study time drilling how to make it look like you really do study every weekday.I wonder though how often they get to do their class work, and how often they stuff envelopes.

Perhaps these ofsted inspectors need to guided where to look.

[solo]

Ah yes, the moving of furniture into storage just in time for inspectors to see a nicely ordered space. Yes I had done some shifting of beds. It was probably the Ballroom, which could look quite good when tarted up. Stonelands was supposed to be a school too wasn't it? Would you call that strangely devious behaviour for a 'church'?

I must say though with only 12 pupils it's not surprising that there is a good atmosphere, normal UK schools are having 30 plus in a class, with a few high and a few looking out for their chemical supplier. These kids spend half their study time drilling how to make it look like you really do study every weekday.I wonder though how often they get to do their class work, and how often they stuff envelopes.

Perhaps these ofsted inspectors need to guided where to look.

Yes, if only they would arrive unannounced! I guess the kids at Walsh Manor look like they're getting a brilliant education - small class sizes, study tech, good behaviour, etc. Pity the inspectors don't see the o/w write-ups, ethics orders, etc, that bring about this "good" behaviour. Or the lack of time with their parents.

I didn't know Stonelands was supposed to be a school. I remember the ballroom being moved around, numerous beds disappeared into storage quite regularly....

Solo