GPMs, MEST Universe, God or Gods?

[Björkist]

If "mental" mass is the same as "physical universe" mass, (as a certain philosopher suggests and my personal experience assures me it is) and mass is created by two (or more) opposing goals/intentions, is there ultimately one entity conceiving itself to be two (or more) in opposition or are there actually multiple beings in this game...or something else?

I have had "visions" of other universes/wavelengths near this one and the beings in them were "doing things" (related, in peculiar and indescribable ways, to us and the things we are doing)...our words of this wavelength unfortunately being inadequate to describe the specific goings-on.

But a wavelength, obviously has to be generated from "somewhere/something"...and as bizarre and 'alien' as those wavelengths were...I wondered if the beings there were seekers/explorers as well, transcending or descending through various wavelengths, in their journeys...indeed, some who were able to perceive me were intrigued by my sudden appearance and there was quite a bit of "activity" going on...which could be (inadequately) described as "building" or "putting things together"...with many layers. It's really one of those things one must view with your own "eye".

But what is that wavelength "generator", how many, actually, are there, and what happens (aside from the obvious data re: Expanded Tone Scale) when all these various wavelengths are transcended, or descended through?

Just curious what your thoughts are, especially those of you who have had extensive auditing.

[Alanzo]

If "mental" mass is the same as "physical universe" mass, (as a certain philosopher suggests and my personal experience assures me it is) and mass is created by two (or more) opposing goals/intentions, is there ultimately one entity conceiving itself to be two (or more) in opposition or are there actually multiple beings in this game...or something else?

I have had "visions" of other universes/wavelengths near this one and the beings in them were "doing things" (related, in peculiar and indescribable ways, to us and the things we are doing)...our words of this wavelength unfortunately being inadequate to describe the specific goings-on.

But a wavelength, obviously has to be generated from "somewhere/something"...and as bizarre and 'alien' as those wavelengths were...I wondered if the beings there were seekers/explorers as well, transcending or descending through various wavelengths, in their journeys...indeed, some who were able to perceive me were intrigued by my sudden appearance and there was quite a bit of "activity" going on...which could be (inadequately) described as "building" or "putting things together"...with many layers. It's really one of those things one must view with your own "eye".

But what is that wavelength "generator", how many, actually, are there, and what happens (aside from the obvious data re: Expanded Tone Scale) when all these various wavelengths are transcended, or descended through?

Just curious what your thoughts are, especially those of you who have had extensive auditing.

I've had extensive auditing and I never saw or imagined anything like this.

[Div6]

If "mental" mass is the same as "physical universe" mass, (as a certain philosopher suggests and my personal experience assures me it is) and mass is created by two (or more) opposing goals/intentions, is there ultimately one entity conceiving itself to be two (or more) in opposition or are there actually multiple beings in this game...or something else?

I have had "visions" of other universes/wavelengths near this one and the beings in them were "doing things" (related, in peculiar and indescribable ways, to us and the things we are doing)...our words of this wavelength unfortunately being inadequate to describe the specific goings-on.

But a wavelength, obviously has to be generated from "somewhere/something"...and as bizarre and 'alien' as those wavelengths were...I wondered if the beings there were seekers/explorers as well, transcending or descending through various wavelengths, in their journeys...indeed, some who were able to perceive me were intrigued by my sudden appearance and there was quite a bit of "activity" going on...which could be (inadequately) described as "building" or "putting things together"...with many layers. It's really one of those things one must view with your own "eye".

But what is that wavelength "generator", how many, actually, are there, and what happens (aside from the obvious data re: Expanded Tone Scale) when all these various wavelengths are transcended, or descended through?

Just curious what your thoughts are, especially those of you who have had extensive auditing.

Interesting philosophical questions.

According to Axiom 1, ANYTHING with a wavelength is less that Static. Mass is just one characteristic of MEST...wavelengths being part of the energy manifestation. Your question poses some interesting possibilities (and this is ALL just mere speculation). If the "purpose" of the mest universe is to turn beings into mest so there is more playing room for the next influx of theta, then it could be that it generates multiple wavelennths, with multiple groups of thetans locking on to their own "fundamental wavelength" This would give rise to "parallel universes" and multiple time tracks.

There is a universe outside of the MEST universe. It has a different set of axioms it operates on. I have been told there are other universes beyond that one as well. Of these I have no direct knowledge.

[NonScio]

OK, here's a question for all you operating thetans out there:

When a thetan "observes" something in the physical universe..
does Mohammed come to the mountain, or does the mountain
come to Mohammed? In other words, does the "thetan" need to
put out a "wave" in order to observe "mest"...or does the thetan
just "sit back" like a typical "static" (if that has any meaning, since
by definition, he has no location) and let the "MEST"
(waves) come to him?

[Bea Kiddo]

OK, here's a question for all you operating thetans out there:

When a thetan "observes" something in the physical universe..
does Mohammed come to the mountain, or does the mountain
come to Mohammed? In other words, does the "thetan" need to
put out a "wave" in order to observe "mest"...or does the thetan
just "sit back" like a typical "static" (if that has any meaning, since
by definition, he has no location) and let the "MEST"
(waves) come to him?

Knowing nothing (except that I was OT V), I guess I would say that you would need someone scientific to answer this.

I think pictures, or sight, are light waves? (Someone with intelligence help me out, for I am blonde? No I'm not... yes I am. Oh!).

You are talking about perceptions in the physical universe. So the question you are asking is about light reflection and perception of that.

Unless you are asking how it goes from brain to thetan? Hmmm....

[NonScio]

Knowing nothing (except that I was OT V), I guess I would say that you would need someone scientific to answer this.

I think pictures, or sight, are light waves? (Someone with intelligence help me out, for I am blonde? No I'm not... yes I am. Oh!).

You are talking about perceptions in the physical universe. So the question you are asking is about light reflection and perception of that.

Unless you are asking how it goes from brain to thetan? Hmmm....

Actually, I am trying to figure out if the "fundamentals of thought" of
Scientology are consistent with modern physics. In truth,
the most advanced theories of modern quantum physics are
even more weird than Scientology. Scientology to whatever
extent it diverts from its plagerism of ancient eastern religions and
tries to be "scientific" in the western sense of the word, seems very
linear and "nineteenth century" in its line of thinking.

Take this statement by Bjorkist from previous post:
"mass is created by two (or more) opposing goals/intentions"
This is classic (19th Century) Hegel, "dialectic materialism"
which Hubbard appears to have incorporated into many of
his basic ideas. My question about the Thetans sitting around
and throwing out these "intentions" which are then met by
counterintentions thereby creating "mass" (does he actually mean "matter"?)
is posed because this scenario seems so at odds with what is
theorized by modern science.

Quantum physics postulates a key role for the "observer" in the
creation of what we view as "reality" ("MEST"). "Prereality" consists
of a sea of quantum probability waves, reality occurs when
"consiousness" chooses to observe...light is both a wave and a
particle...when the wave hits the eye and is observed it collapses
into the particle known as a photon. Until it is observed as a
photon, it is a wave (the classic "double slit" experiment). No
intention/counterintention creating matter here, its done by
observation.

Another big weirdness in quantum theory is the contradiction of
the concept of causality. The idea that any event has a prior
cause. Google "Bell's Theorem" and try to find an article that
dosen't require a heavy mathematical background to get the idea
(unless you're a mathematician!) Some of the latest theories
say events are "caused" just as much by the future as they
are by the past, in effect there is no such thing as "present time".
So much for being "cause"! As to being weird and "far out",
physics trumps Scientology...when Scientology theory is "applied"
it fails. Wherever quantum theory has been put to the practical
test, it has always worked!

[Björkist]

Knowing nothing (except that I was OT V), I guess I would say that you would need someone scientific to answer this.

I think pictures, or sight, are light waves? (Someone with intelligence help me out, for I am blonde? No I'm not... yes I am. Oh!).

You are talking about perceptions in the physical universe. So the question you are asking is about light reflection and perception of that.

Unless you are asking how it goes from brain to thetan? Hmmm....

Assuming the theta-mest theory is correct, there must be connection point "somewhere" between a thetan and MEST body for interaction/perception to take place.

What is the exact anatomy of this connection? How is it even possible for something and nothing to bind/connect? Maybe through proximity of wavelength. But how does that occur?

As far as perceptions, Hubbard suggests that percecption is related to responsibility and responsibility is related to lack of O/W. I have noticed this to be relatively true in my experience.

I have noticed that things can seem brighter or darker depending on one's own mood/wavelength. Is it actually brighter or darker though?

IMO the code/energy is there, emanating its wavelength, regardless of our level of perception of its emanation.

We can resonate with it or it can resonate with us.

A war between order and disorder...each trying to pull at (or away from) the other.

Looking at the world around us, I wonder which one is "winning".

(It's really interesting to observe the personal environments of random people...is it organized or disorderly?)

[Vinaire]

What is attention made up of? What is an attention unit made up of?

You have attention, don't you? So, can you answer this question?

Once you know that then you may find that MEST starts with attention.

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[Alanzo]

What is attention made up of? What is an attention unit made up of?

You have attention, don't you? So, can you answer this question?

Once you know that then you may find that MEST starts with attention.

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