Heber

[Kha Khan]

The point I was making is the cult put out a press release on 5 July 2010 of an event that took place no later than 2006

Yes, I agree with your point. I was just reinforcing it a bit.

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[Smurf]

Jerry Brown hasn't been Mayor of Oakland since 2006

The article was written by the notorious PR hag Edie Rueveni who has a history of writing press releases with fictitious information. I could say more but I was threatened once by her son for insulting mama.

She also refers to lying con artist-Baptist minister-Scientologist Alfreddie Johnson as a Lynwood Councilman. Johnson was booted from the council in 2007 after a successful recall. Seems he can't shy away from scandal.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost....58&postcount=7

http://www.smartvoter.org/2007/09/25/ca/la/race/3/

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r...96d6a08b6f9eab

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com...e-johnson.html

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

A little harsh criticism on Alfreddie Smurf!

We showed Alfreddie A LOT of love in the early days to turn him into a Scientologist. He was duped just like the rest of us and was just trying to help people like the rest of us.

Frank Zurn of ABLE was the one who really got Alfreddie going. Frank gave a presentation to ministers in South Central LA (after the riots) and told them that if the Bible was the word of God, then the Bible IS God. So if you're illiterate and can't read the Bible, then you can never truly know God. Alfreddie was ELECTRIFIED with Frank’s logic and it all eventually turned into the “Literacy Crusade” and got tons of press for Scientology. (P.S. Frank's wife Lauri Zurn is in the hole at Int and he hasn't seen her in almost 3 years - while he still slaves away at ABLE INT selling ACC Lecture packages to Scientologists - wtf!!).

At first, a pretty good effort was made by many people early on volunteering to go down the South Central Los Angeles and tutor people on English (of course study tech was there too, but when you're just trying to learn to read, there's not too much damage there.).

Naturally (for Scientology), the PR became the product - and besides that, when you're busting your ass on staff or as a public trying to get up the Bridge, the volunteer thing can only go so far - so there was a dwindling of actual doingness.

Compare this to the following: I found out recently that a small Episcopal Church in my town runs one of the largest food pantries for destitute and homeless people in my state. THOUSANDS of meals per week. Funding comes from the parishioners. The work is performed by volunteer parishioners. Zero press, Zero promo, Zero attention. The only people outside the parish that know about it are the ones receiving the FREELY GIVEN help. And it’s been going on for 30 YEARS.

I recently had dinner with friends still in (and believing I'm still in, but I'm just getting a little cranky and probably need to go to Flag for a "handling") and I told them this story. It just didn't register to them at all - the fact that you would spend you time giving food to degraded beings for no exchange and not even getting any good press made no sense to them at all.

This is just a small example of the EXTREMELY dangerous attitudes that one adopts being part of Scientology. It really breaks my heart.

[Smurf]

A little harsh criticism on Alfreddie Smurf!

We showed Alfreddie A LOT of love in the early days to turn him into a Scientologist. He was duped just like the rest of us and was just trying to help people like the rest of us.

The facts speak for themselves. The truth can be painful. Trust me, I know this from personal experience when I finally took personal responsibility for the many crimes I committed on behalf of the church and OSA.

[GoNuclear]

Love the utter stupidity of it.

But love, even more, that good Scientologists will jump to their feet and burst into VVGI applauding ovations on cue.....no matter WHAT they are told.

OTHER OBNOXIOUS OVATIONS FOR OBVIOUS OVERTS:

News: "Ooops, your guru is dead!"
Truth that must be hidden at any cost: "Ron was not an OT, sucker! You're fucked!"
The Big Lie: "Ron is like totally more OT than you ever dreamed. You're like sooooo saved!"
Justification: "You're stupid to think that Ron would not want to die."
How to Sell It to Scientologists: "Only loser, interiorized, downtone beings who need to buy tons of repair auditing would be upset that Ron is exterior and winning."

News: "Ooops, your COB beats the shit out of people"
Truth that must be hidden at any cost: "The highest level of OT Scientology culture is the same as the lowest level of criminal wog culture."
The Big Lie: "Nobody was beaten because stats don't lie! Wives report highest-ever number of Ideal Body Square Inches while COB reports highest-ever number of Ideal Org Square Feet.
Justification: "Dave wasn't there. And if he was there he didn't know about the 100 reported beatings. And if he did know, he handled it, obviously, because you don't see anyone being beaten right now do you?"
How to Sell It to Scientologists: "If you have critical thoughts about COB it's because he has done so much for you that your exchange is out and you really need to see the Reg to handle that. So, anyone who feels critical, please stand now so we can get your name and help flow power to you."

HH, only one point to differ with you on ... it isn't the "big lie", it is the Scientological TRUTH. In Scientology, truth benefits the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, and need not be confined to any WOG definition, with very solidly mocked up considerations regarding MEST and/or wrongfully held in place mental image pictures that only enturbulate, mental image pictures tightly bound up in WOG considerations about "what actually happened" which is really just so-much entheta.

Your description of Scientological truth as the "big lie" is suspect, most certainly a red flag. Pehaps you are PTS or have overts. You should come in for a sec-check. There might just be a non enturbulation order out on you already.


Pete

[Challenge]

[QUOTE=This is NOT OK !!!!;443783]A little harsh criticism on Alfreddie Smurf!

We showed Alfreddie A LOT of love in the early days to turn him into a Scientologist. He was duped just like the rest of us and was just trying to help people like the rest of us.

Frank Zurn of ABLE was the one who really got Alfreddie going. Frank gave a presentation to ministers in South Central LA (after the riots) and told them that if the Bible was the word of God, then the Bible IS God. So if you're illiterate and can't read the Bible, then you can never truly know God. Alfreddie was ELECTRIFIED with Frank’s logic and it all eventually turned into the “Literacy Crusade” and got tons of press for Scientology. (P.S. Frank's wife Lauri Zurn is in the hole at Int and he hasn't seen her in almost 3 years - while he still slaves away at ABLE INT selling ACC Lecture packages to

Alfreddie was being paid .
It's distressing to see that Frank & Lauri Zurn are still in there.

[Gus]

Just to give some 'visio' and 'mass' to this thread; it's a repeat, but a good one.



While we're 'saving Heber', how bout Ken Hoden too?

Zinj

I remember ol' Ken Hoden... I recognized him immediately. First time I saw him was in Portland, OR. He was the MC of a "lock the doors" fundraiser. That's where they lock the doors to the room and they don't let anyone leave until the target is met. It was a real hoot

I think we all finally got out of there around 1am.

Interesting to see he went from big time money-raiser to inmate at the hole.

Gus

[SweetnessandLight]

Where IS Ken Hoden at this point in time??? Still in the Hole at INT?