Rex Fowler 1st degree murder trial

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

In this criminal case it may well fall out of the focus of ascertaining guilt. However, in a civil case the extortionist culture seeded by Lcriminalhubbard's psychic terrorism " ....deadly serious game ..." without which this murder would not have taken place, should be adjudicated.

It's not a matter for the court to adjudicate.


Mark A. Baker

[ARC]

Not as to the 'hate crime', 'hate crimes' are not simply crimes committed against people you hate.

I know that. But since Scientology calls itself a "religion" in the US, a Scientologist killing a non-Scientologist who was "supressive" and refused to conform might perhaps rise to the standard?

Here the likely motivation is money. That blows the 'hate crime' argument out of meaningful consideration.

Well, unless Fowler had a plan to paint Ciancio as the assailant and the headshot was only a misdirection, or a sacrifice for a scam - then this looks more like revenge right? The anger came from a money dispute and a dispute over WISE training, but there was no profit in killing Ciancio. But yeah, I see what you mean: Since the victim and attacker knew each other and had a money dispute, this isn't similar to a person shooting up a gay bar because he hates gay people.

Besides which, there is nothing to show that Fowler hated Ciancio because of his religious or other social group membership, hence no evidence to support the charge of a 'hate crime'.

Well, the court has suppressed all direct mentions of Scientology. But if the prosecutors wanted to build a compelling hate crime case based on Scientology hate, then they'd protest more strongly against not being allowed to mention it - maybe appealing the motion, if that's possible at this stage?

I think it'll be in the prosecution's interest to comply with not mentioning Scientology directly. There's less chance of mistrial due to Scientology's well deserved extremely bad public image.

IANAL, but based on Colorado's list of aggravating factors Fowler may well be looking at a capital sentence.

I've heard about the stages of a criminal trial, but it seems the press is consistently saying that Fowler is risking life in prison.

And the only 'reasonable arguments' in favor of capital punishment which I have ever seen have to do with the economic costs to the state of execution versus incarceration.

Executions and appeals also cost a lot of money. I think a better argument is that the death penalty may deter those who don't mind being in prison, but who still fear death. Oddly enough, there are also people who would rather die than sit in prison. (Personally I'm against the death penalty though.)

[Lohan2008]

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4:30 PM -Battle Over Scientology Evidence

In a dramatic moment, defense attorney Sarah Quinn objected to prosecutors introducing in evidence a manila folder belonging to Fowler...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...13/detail.html

[Happy Days]

Fascinating reading... it's reads like a script from the Good Wife or JAG even...:D

Looking forward to tomorrow's episode.

[Smurf]

More news coverage (video):

[Mystic]

Has anyone investigated Rev. Fowler's attorney for scino connections?

And keep 'em coming, Smurf.

[Dulloldfart]

It must be quite gruesome being in the courtroom watching the video.

Quote from the newspaper:

At one point, the video showed Cianco's body lying on the floor of Fowler's office near a conference table. It also focused on the table, covered with blood and a handgun laying atop the table.

"What we're seeing here is a semi-automatic pistol lying on the table," Houchins said. "Also, there is massive blood spatter on this table."

It's not the same as watching a movie where it is all pretend.

Paul

[Husky]

It must be quite gruesome being in the courtroom watching the video.

Quote from the newspaper:

At one point, the video showed Cianco's body lying on the floor of Fowler's office near a conference table. It also focused on the table, covered with blood and a handgun laying atop the table.

"What we're seeing here is a semi-automatic pistol lying on the table," Houchins said. "Also, there is massive blood spatter on this table."

It's not the same as watching a movie where it is all pretend.

Paul

It's really not a movie and sure no pretence here of any kind.

May be the Ot dude wanted to send a message, in a strange dramatic way..
From the very strange place he ended up being at.. The whole thing is just sad.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

When it come to the C o $ and you say "Sometimes its warranted, often it isn't" in regards to "nasty things " said by poster on the ESMB it would seem the harsh comments are far more likely oten warranted and sometimes not.

While the C o $ obviously isn't on trial but I do have to chuckle at any comment that the role of the them is 'irrelevant'. Think about for just a nanosecond.....what oh what lead up to this crime?

How did Rex get in the fix he was in? How?

And how, dear God, can anyone with a straight face say the C o $ is "irrelevant" in this?

As I have learned in the Australian "judicial system", the first casualty of law is the truth. The second casualty is common sense.

It must be quite gruesome being in the courtroom watching the video.

Quote from the newspaper:

At one point, the video showed Cianco's body lying on the floor of Fowler's office near a conference table. It also focused on the table, covered with blood and a handgun laying atop the table.

"What we're seeing here is a semi-automatic pistol lying on the table," Houchins said. "Also, there is massive blood spatter on this table."

It's not the same as watching a movie where it is all pretend.

Paul

Sadly, people have been so desensitized that it can become "the same as watching a movie".

For comparison, consider some of the military night-vision recordings where they're smoking people by remote control and it looks and feels like a video-game.

[TG1]

Sadly, people have been so desensitized that it can become "the same as watching a movie".

Uh, no. Dead bodies do not look like actors playing dead people in movies. Anybody here been to war? Worked in a morgue? Been a homicide detective?