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[Vinaire]

I think I'm lost on this one.

But tell me something, if admiration among people is a desired thing (depending on the game they're playing, I guess) then how does one say "I admire you" if there is no beingness?

Let me post the following for you once again. I hope you get it this time.

http://isene.wordpress.com/2010/10/2.../#comment-1097

There is nothing wrong with beingness or individuality, but there is everything wrong with being obsessed with it. Hubbard was so obsessed with it that he built a whole religion around it. He pretended his religion to be an extension of Buddhism, but then he turned around and invalidated the selfless state of Nirvana. This was hypocrisy. This hypocrisy now propagates itself throughout Scientology. I find most OTs to be very obsessed with self and status. I do not see Scientology or Scientologists engaged in any selfless service, though they expect it from government and others. This is hypocrisy again.

Scientology is a Western religion in Eastern disguise. In Western Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam), the ultimate reality is beingness in the form of God. To a Scientologist the ultimate is also beingness, even though it is in the form of individualism. Scientology has simply elevated each person to a God in the form of an imperishable thetan. I believe that fixation on beingness is a cultural thing. It was deeply embedded in Hubbard.

Most westerners cannot grasp eastern philosophy no matter how academic they try to be. They look at Hinduism through the lens of beingness and declare it to be polytheistic. Actually Hinduism is atheistic like Buddhism because it does not believe the ultimate reality to be a being. Both religions are based on Vedas which look at the ultimate reality as unknowable and any beingness to be a manifestation. Please see The Creation Hymn of Rig Veda.

So, Scientology is in the tradition of Western Semitic religions. It uses some of the eastern ideas, but it is not an extension of Buddhism. Scientology will never be able to take a hold in the east, as it is contrary in its fundamentals.

On Apollo, LRH ate special gourmet food that was couriered for him from various countries in refrigerated boxes. His clothes were also specially tailored and very expensive that were couriered for him. Whole of SO was there to do his bidding. He had his own Household Unit, which took care of all his comforts and whims.

I wore many hats in Sea Org, but just before I left in 1983 I was India/New Civilizations Programs Chief and had little support.

Scientology has been mainly PR. Even the workability of Scientology did not come as much from any processes, but from LOOKING by the preclear. You may take all those complex processes away and simply apply the principle of LOOKING and you will get at least as fabulous results as in Scientology auditing. Please see the essays on LOOKING in Vinaire’s Blog.

I always took STATIC to represent the unknowable. I squirrelled at the most fundamental level of Scientology. However, I think I gained tremendously from that squirrelling.

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[Dilettante]

Vinaire, good to see you because now I can post to you. Isn't a beingness the terms we have accepted in order to engage each other? It could be a practical solution to wanting to experience and exchange. I feel for the being that has no use for it, if he can't contribute to the whole. Or maybe I was just admiring my new beingness here (I agreed to the terms!).
Dil

[Vinaire]

Vinaire, good to see you because now I can post to you. Isn't a beingness the terms we have accepted in order to engage each other? It could be a practical solution to wanting to experience and exchange. I feel for the being that has no use for it, if he can't contribute to the whole. Or maybe I was just admiring my new beingness here (I agreed to the terms!).
Dil

Hi Dil, I like the beingness presented by your avatar. It goes well with the beingness being revealed through your posts.

I think that being obsessed with beingness is a later phenomenon. It is preceded by the belief that "Beingness is it... it is the ultimate." Beingness becomes wall of a thought prison. By this I mean is the inability to think "outside of the beingness box," call it God or the Thetan.

This is what we find in the Semitic religions and also in Scientology. Here the entire belief is devoted to being or existing, and a refusal to look beyond that belief.

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[Dilettante]

Wow! It is good to hear from you and I'm kindof intimidated by your wealth of knowledge. But, what the hell, here goes.
John Walsh of America's Most Wanted took on a beingness of sorts post personal tragedy which has benefit many. Were I the missus, I may or may not have wanted that as part of my identity or our new life directiion. Marilyn Monroe on the other hand assumed hers by a series of personal betrayals and via one hot body. These are simple examples and not much depth offered in either but I have a point. Somewhere. Oh, I wonder if each of our own dramatizations serve a purpose if not to ourselves at least to others. By serve a purpose it does not even need to be meaningful or deep but rather required to reach a better understanding. I am still contemplating the difference between self/others when we drop all the identity. I do have some catching up to do on your points of view, so far I find them and you fascinating.
Dil

[Auditor's Toad]

If I ever achieve perfection as a being I will expect perfection from all others.

I am extremely aware I have never achieved perfection...period.

Although I pusue perfection I do not, really, expect to ever achieve it.

But, if I ever do I will damn well demand it of all others.

My wife says open another bottle of wine and do not worry about me ever being "perfect"

And, no shit, she is a whole smarter than me .

[Vinaire]

Wow! It is good to hear from you and I'm kindof intimidated by your wealth of knowledge. But, what the hell, here goes.
John Walsh of America's Most Wanted took on a beingness of sorts post personal tragedy which has benefit many. Were I the missus, I may or may not have wanted that as part of my identity or our new life directiion. Marilyn Monroe on the other hand assumed hers by a series of personal betrayals and via one hot body. These are simple examples and not much depth offered in either but I have a point. Somewhere. Oh, I wonder if each of our own dramatizations serve a purpose if not to ourselves at least to others. By serve a purpose it does not even need to be meaningful or deep but rather required to reach a better understanding. I am still contemplating the difference between self/others when we drop all the identity. I do have some catching up to do on your points of view, so far I find them and you fascinating.
Dil

By deciding to be one stops looking in that direction. "Knowing" there is a God one stops looking beyond God. "Knowing" that one is a Thetan one stops looking beyond the idea of a thetan.

When the consideration of a definite beingness is not there then sky is the limit.

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[Dilettante]

Vinaire, Forgive me!
I agree with your post and I am researching some refferences on your blog. Thank you. The 'tech' opens discussions with bright people but in my opinion it introverts the heck out of decent people and puts their attention on self/beingnesses and that has been my objection for the most part. Insight is good as well reflection but it is not the end all.

William Shakespear Hamlet
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. - Soft you now!

Not many people use smilies in posts with you, do they?
Dil

[Vinaire]

Vinaire, Forgive me!
I agree with your post and I am researching some refferences on your blog. Thank you. The 'tech' opens discussions with bright people but in my opinion it introverts the heck out of decent people and puts their attention on self/beingnesses and that has been my objection for the most part. Insight is good as well reflection but it is not the end all.

William Shakespear Hamlet
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. - Soft you now!

Not many people use smilies in posts with you, do they?
Dil

Thank you, Dil. Shakespeare tells it like it is and so beautifully.

So, a person is already introverted. isn't he or she? The task is to pull that person out of that introversion of being. It is not an easy task.

It is the attachment to beingness (existence) that makes one afraid of death and makes one suffer all the miseries of life.

Somebody mentioned obliquely on the Grassroots thread how rare happiness is. Yes, true happiness is very rare. It comes to those who are not introverted into being.

Smilies are used generally to avoid digging deeply into WHAT IS. I am already deep in the hole of "what is." People apparently look at me from far above. They forget about smilies in their pity for me.

But the solution is in giving up this attachment to beingness. It doesn't mean giving up beingness. It means giving up the attachment only.

It is enlightement that frees one up.

KHTK is the way to go.

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[Vinaire]

Space-energy-matter and time are the fabic of which this AWARENESS of beingness (existence) is made up of.

See Essay #5 THE NATURE OF EXISTENCE on Vinaire's Blog.

It is under CONTENTS (Philosophy).

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[Dilettante]

While I spend some time catching up on your blog, lets see what schools of thought you'd be willing to visit. Or already visited.

Are you familiar with Dr. Kaku's string theory?
Dil