On being Exterior, your views ?

[paradox]

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Hubbard lovers ... snap out of it.

No kidding.

[LongTimeGone]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=12

http://blog.planetpreterist.com/index.php?itemid=1493

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n3439659.shtml

D.

[uniquemand]

So, If YOU lost your mind, You would be dead.

The entity that people know now would be dead. There are mindless bodies. It's called a persistent vegetative state. However, as long as the nervous system is not irreparably damaged, I think it's possible to recover from a lot.

I've been declared dead. During those periods, I have exactly zero recall. Nothing. Somehow, I was jumpstarted again, three times. In each case, it was like being the terminator: suddenly, I was "online" again, though not all of my faculties were there, immediately. However, I became intensely aware that we can turn "off". At that point there is no suffering, because there is simply nothing. No light at the end of the tunnel. No angels. No nothing.

[Arthur Dent]

http://www.newrealitytransmission.com/

Nov. 11th, 11:11pm for 11 minutes.

[Mark A. Baker]

The entity that people know now would be dead. There are mindless bodies. It's called a persistent vegetative state. However, as long as the nervous system is not irreparably damaged, I think it's possible to recover from a lot.

I've been declared dead. During those periods, I have exactly zero recall. Nothing. Somehow, I was jumpstarted again, three times. In each case, it was like being the terminator: suddenly, I was "online" again, though not all of my faculties were there, immediately. However, I became intensely aware that we can turn "off". At that point there is no suffering, because there is simply nothing. No light at the end of the tunnel. No angels. No nothing.

You might want to read this book, U.

Consciousness Beyond Life: The Science of the Near-Death Experience [Hardcover]
Pim Van Lommel

Among other topics is an excellent discussion of the medical effects of resuscitation on the brain and how it relates to consciousness and the observed differences between NDE'ers & non-NDE'ers.


Mark A. Baker

[uniquemand]

Thanks for the book idea. Maybe I can find an online copy. I'm living pretty close to the bone right now, can't be buying books unrelated to school. Can you give me a synopsis?

[Mark A. Baker]

Thanks for the book idea. Maybe I can find an online copy. I'm living pretty close to the bone right now, can't be buying books unrelated to school. Can you give me a synopsis?

Not really. He covers a lot of material. Try grabbing a coffee at starbucks and browsing a while at Barnes & Noble.


Mark A. Baker

[uniquemand]

nevermind, I read it at Amazon. Interesting. I have recollection of experience during the coma period, but those periods were interrupted with total blankness. The experience during the coma period was extremely frightening. I cannot say if this was due to something real that was happening, or due to the opiates that I was under the influence of for pain control. I have read a little bit about sensory deprivation experiences, and I would say that my coma experience was very similar to people who have experienced long periods of sensory deprivation. However, most people do those tanks for periods of only a few hours, whereas my coma was about three weeks. They are aware that they can stop it at any point, whereas I was pretty sure the ending was going to be death. Sorry to be grim, but that's my recollection.

It does make a degree of sense that consciousness is non-local, and that therefore death in one timeline doesn't equate to death in all timelines. I definitely had the feeling, when I woke up, that I was in a different universe, the one where I lived, and where things turned out okay. I had the feeling I'd had a reprieve.

[Veda]

Possibly this was my most embarrassing incident to do with LRH.

It occured on the Original Class VIII course, in Oct 1968.

We were docked in Corfu, a small Greek Island halfway between Greece and Italy.

Each night at 8.00 p.m. LRH gave a lecture.

We were in the main dining room which doubled as the lecture room. Behind LRH were the picture windows facing out to the docks across the way.

Thus there were an approx 300 of the upper level SO Staff and Class VIII students crammed into this room - facing Hubbard and Mary-Sue who sat alongside LRH - so except for LRH and MSH we all viewed the activities outside the windows.

Each night at around 8.30 pm there was a ferry from Corfu to Brindisi that would leave. It was very punctual. There was a lot of clanging and banging and the reving of engines and the ferry would come chugging past us - the sounds are probably still on the tapes.

Of course this pissed LRH off - he would turn and glare at the offending ferry boat.

Any way one night at the exact time there was the usual clanging and banging and the reving of engines the chugging past us noise.

LRH does not turn his head but stares straight us and proceeds to give us how he is exterior with full perceptics - and describes the ferry, etc. He was really puffed up with his ability to demonstrate his exterior with full perceptics.

The only problem was that night a tug boat towing a garbage scow was went past the windows.

We all witnessed it - the emperor was naked!!!

There was deathly silence in the room - the room went very solid. No one looked at another.

Later on only Fred Fairchild, Nev Chamberlin and I dare speak about it. But every staff member and future Class VIII were given a major withhold that night.

Alan

Thank-you for digging this up Veda ... it really does say it all.

Hubbard lovers ... snap out of it.

Here's as close as I can come to a consolidation of posts/threads having to do with "exteriorization." There is some redundancy:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=20385

[programmer_guy]

Correctamundo!

A word that I have never used, and hope never to use in the future.

It was a word used by "The Fonz" in the TV show "Happy Days".