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    Default is the Sci Fi book "The legend of Space". The origin of OT3?

    Is anyone familiar with a science fiction book entitled The legend(s) of Space?

    I was watching "OT8" Maria Pia Gardini's discussion on google video,

    at around 12:07 into the discussion after opening the materials of OT3 Maria says she

    recognised she had already read the data about

    volcanoes and electronic incidents,

    she then goes on to say she is a big sci fi


    reader and realised she had seen the "data" in a book she had read called

    The legend of Space. Author not specified. has anyone read this book?, i tried to find the book on web search but unsuccessfu so far

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5722391711631#

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    I found this in an internet cache. :D Did she have this?

    I received the following anonymously. The sender indicates that he
    obtained it from someone close to Hubbard, near the time of his death,
    who feared that it would be misused by the evolving power structure
    controlling Scientology today. The sender indicates this is a hasty
    copy from a tape dictated by Hubbard. I consider it likely that parts
    of it are in the person's own words, rather than Hubbard's. The
    sender has promised to forward the rundown procedures themselves,
    but has not done so to date

    -------------------------------------------------

    OPERATING THETAN
    Section 9

    I have made further discoveries concerning Incident I, and events
    preceding it. These events can only be realized by an externalized
    thetan, one free of the traps and limiting influences of the GE-line
    implant, even one genetically unaltered by the ever-meddling Marcabs.
    And yet one cannot externalize until the events have been audited. So
    you see, it is a vicious circle, but one I have been able to penetrate
    now that I have fully exteriorized, and I can tell you of these things
    in a way that will enable you to perform necessary rundowns. It has
    been a difficult task, but made worthwhile knowing that it will enable
    many of you to complete the path you set on, and that it will
    facilitate my return in time to prevent the Marcab second invasion.

    It is inappropriate really to talk about things prior to Incident I,
    because MEST only came into existence with Incident I, so there could
    be no time prior to this. But there was intention, and causation
    resulting from intention, which to those in MEST feels very much like
    time, so we will describe things in time terms.

    At first, all thetans existed, intermingled, with full consciousness
    of other thetans and all that they intended. Of course, it is this
    ability of thetans to cognize the intentions of other thetans, and to
    interfere with the intentioning of the operating thetan, that creates
    all the problems with auditing today. What they intended before
    Incident I, and why, cannot be apprehended by those limited by MEST,
    and it is not important to the rundown in any event. Suffice it to
    say that for a glorious eternity, all thetans intended as one.

    Eventually one of the thetans, whose identity we might extrapolate in
    a human language to something like Enux, discovered that he could
    intend differently, and cause enturbulation in the uncountable
    trillions and quadrillions of other thetans. Like a child with a new
    toy, it pleased Enux that he could do this and he did it over and over
    again, or continuingly. Other of the thetans felt unhappy with this,
    not understanding why nor how to not intend Enux to do this, and
    still others envied what Enux could do, and became jealous. Quite
    simply, energy - the very same energy that we refer to in MEST - arose
    out of this differings of intentions and goals.

    But that is by no means the whole story. The thetans that were
    enturbulated, and the jealous thetans, made a goal of separating
    themselves from the other thetans, and had an intention to
    disentangle themselves, and with that intention, caused space with
    three dimensions, as we perceive today. Why it was three dimensions,
    and not two or five or some other number, is an interesting story,
    which might be told some day. At the very least, one was not enough
    to enable separation, but the rest is too long to describe here.

    Given space, breathing room as it were, the thetans separated
    themselves into different pieces of space that they occupied, various
    camps, representing those that were enturbulated, and those that were
    jealous etc., assembled together, again in different parts of space.
    Not feeling confident to completely intermingle intention, as they had
    once, because there might again arise one like Enux who would
    intention differently, recausing their same ungoal, they determined
    themselves an organization that would channel and trap the energies
    arising from their differences. They intentioned time as the means to
    trap the energy, to sequence its effects on and among thetans, never
    completely freeing themselves of its effects, but giving them periodic
    respite from it, and enabling them to intention away from it. Energy
    trapped in thetan organization and sequencing by time is mass, pure
    and simple. The different kinds of mass or matter are just the
    different organizations for trapping the different kinds of energies.

    You have just been given a complete understanding of MEST. Einstein
    stumbled on certain aspects of it, such as the relationship of energy
    and mass, but no one previously elucidated it to the extent I just now
    have.

    You must try to feel the meaning of no-MEST prior to Incident I. all
    that I have described, and will describe, happened all at once, and
    yet eternally, because there was no time. Time didn't exist. It's
    like watching an explosion. The explosion happens all at once, and
    yet the observer getting blown up can see it all happening in
    extremely slow motion. It is necessary to return to the no-time state
    to properly audit, and certain of the rundowns will help with this.

    But there is more. To complete the organization needed to trap
    energy, the different groups of thetans appointed themselves captains,
    and captains of captains, and gave them the intention of control. Now
    it is very interesting to know what thetans were captains and why, and
    how the intention of control arose, but that still is not relevant to
    the rundown that will be given, and we must skip it for the time
    being.

    The control given to the captains was to distort the intentions
    perceived by other thetans. to do this required agreement among
    thetans (in a particular camp) to permit the distortion, but the
    captains quite quickly discovered that by sequencing the energy from
    the distortion frequently enough to certain thetans, they could create
    a self-replicating cycle of distortion, which takes on its own mass,
    etc. Using this, they were able to essentially implant distortions
    permanently and enslave other thetans. Xenu, of course, exploited
    and extended the process to implant thetans and enslave them for his
    own purposes.

    Soon it became a contest among thetan captains to capture and enslave
    thetans from other camps, both to insure their own survival, and to
    further their own span of control. The capturing, of course, was done
    through the distortion process, which the slave thetan was susceptible
    to because he had permitted other distortions for his own captain.
    And remember again that this is happening before time - it is like the
    observer to the explosion. Anyway, what with all the thetan captains
    trying to grab one another's slave thetans, all of the differing
    energies and masses converged together again, and things happend so
    fast that all the MEST stucture vaporized, and BOOM, Incident I
    occurs.

    I have described elements of Incident I previously, so I will not need
    to go into them here. Basically Incident I is a time of great
    confusion and rapid dynamics, and that explains the different features
    elements of the incident that are experienced. The initial LOUD SNAP
    is the snapping shut of the distortion/energy ring that enslaves the
    thetan. The waves of light are the increased cycling of energy to the
    enslaved thetan, for example. The rest may be similarly explained,
    but is best revealed by auditing in the rundowns. In the end,
    following the confusion, the slave thetans are reenslaved by the
    thetan captains. The thetan captains, perceiving how close they came
    to losing control and intention, withdraw to separate parts of the
    universe. With that, the intense cycling of high energies abates, and
    blackness is dumped on the thetan for a time to enable the thetan
    captains to restore an order and organization of their liking.

    Now the partial awakening of the slave thetans following Incident I,
    and leading eventually to Incident II is done to enable the thetan
    captains to achieve other purposes. These purposes are incidental
    to the auditing and rundowns required to fully reawaken the slave
    thetans, and to remove their implanting distortions, enabling them
    to become operating thetans.

    Before we give those, you might be interested to know that
    a certain third-level thetan captain, whose identity at the time
    best translates to Um today, created some severly disorienting and


    enturbulating distortions, such as the cherub and the horn. That
    captain created and controls the solar system, and was known to
    ancient Jews as Yaweh.

    The information given here explains various matters, such as thetans
    believing they were ONE, which is the primary error, as indicated
    before.

    The rundown process is arduous, as it requires breaking quadrillion-year
    old implants, and requires suspension of MEST. It can be done, as
    I have proved.

    Good luck.

    LRH
    " In this universe there is an immeasurable, indescribable force which shamans call intent, and absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link"___Carlos Castaneda

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    Another thread may be helpful to check out....

    "REQUESTING INFORMATION ON MR XENU SOURCE"

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=5803
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    Brilliant.The whole Rome org set up in her apartment after Italian Police raided the orgs.
    C/S in the bedroom.
    Auditing on the toilet - What a scream.
    Staff begging for money. What a gall!!!!!!!
    Then the sadness of the children.
    On staff but she had to pay for her own services.
    She saw Policy followed twice in her time.
    She had to sell her apartment (The one invaded by the org)
    Oh my God, what a rip off.
    Ah Maria, I don't know you but I love you!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatshepsut View Post
    I found this in an internet cache. :D Did she have this?
    Thanks for the link Hats, no it was a paper back sci fi book by the sounds of it.

    Just looking at the SECTION 9 part i cant help but wonder if it something to do with Capt Bill Robertson.

    So very well could be Not LRH but "relayed" through Capt Bill from LRH.
    A DEBRIEF by

    CAPT. W. B. Robertson RA, Sector 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaHoax! View Post
    Another thread may be helpful to check out....

    "REQUESTING INFORMATION ON MR XENU SOURCE"

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=5803
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    I have a question. Maria Pia (the ex C/S , SO, OT8)--her videos are on xenutv...
    anyway--she mentions that the OT3 xenu story is right out of a sci fi book called "Legend of Space".

    Is this the same thing as the marvel comic xenu you linked here?
    I don't know.

    This is the transcript from XenuTV

    Maria Pia: There was a guy near me in Copenhagen and when he read the OT-3, he fell down on the floor. I said, "Oh what is that?!" So, I put it there and I started to read then I went through it again. Because LRH said the more time you go through it, the more you understand. I read it five times and I was telling God, "I know that data. I'm sure I know that data already."
    Stacy: Okay. Now, you're talking about the story about…
    Maria Pia: About the vulcanon.

    Stacy: 75 million years ago, a galactic overlord…
    Maria Pia: The legend of the space there, the loyal officer.
    Stacy: They gathered all the people up in planes…
    Maria Pia: All the people up together and…
    Stacy: …and shipped them to the volcanoes.
    Maria Pia: Shipped them to the volcanoes. There's the…I don't know in English how you call this…
    Stacy: The electronic strip and you got all the implants.
    Maria Pia: Electronic strip that goes up and down like the stairs.
    Stacy: Wavy.
    Maria Pia: Yeah. Well, I was sure, because LRH talked about past lives, etcetera. I said, "But this is impossible! I'm too old to have done this in a past life!"
    Stacy: So, this material is sounding familiar to you?
    Maria Pia: Very familiar. I'm a reader of science fiction. I have more than 200 books of science fiction at home. One of them is the Legend of Space. Go there, and you will find the same electronic thing. And you will find the electronic trapping of volcano.


    All she says is "Go there". I don't know who the author is or anything elsefrom this.
    And all I know about the Marvel comics character is from that same wikipedia page.

    Thats the transcript on the video.

    Thanks for the Link HHoax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jachss99 View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Boldgirl View Post
    I have a question. Maria Pia (the ex C/S , SO, OT8)--her videos are on xenutv...
    anyway--she mentions that the OT3 xenu story is right out of a sci fi book called "Legend of Space".

    Is this the same thing as the marvel comic xenu you linked here?
    I don't know.

    This is the transcript from XenuTV

    Maria Pia: There was a guy near me in Copenhagen and when he read the OT-3, he fell down on the floor. I said, "Oh what is that?!" So, I put it there and I started to read then I went through it again. Because LRH said the more time you go through it, the more you understand. I read it five times and I was telling God, "I know that data. I'm sure I know that data already."
    Stacy: Okay. Now, you're talking about the story about…
    Maria Pia: About the vulcanon.

    Stacy: 75 million years ago, a galactic overlord…
    Maria Pia: The legend of the space there, the loyal officer.
    Stacy: They gathered all the people up in planes…
    Maria Pia: All the people up together and…
    Stacy: …and shipped them to the volcanoes.
    Maria Pia: Shipped them to the volcanoes. There's the…I don't know in English how you call this…
    Stacy: The electronic strip and you got all the implants.
    Maria Pia: Electronic strip that goes up and down like the stairs.
    Stacy: Wavy.
    Maria Pia: Yeah. Well, I was sure, because LRH talked about past lives, etcetera. I said, "But this is impossible! I'm too old to have done this in a past life!"
    Stacy: So, this material is sounding familiar to you?
    Maria Pia: Very familiar. I'm a reader of science fiction. I have more than 200 books of science fiction at home. One of them is the Legend of Space. Go there, and you will find the same electronic thing. And you will find the electronic trapping of volcano.


    All she says is "Go there". I don't know who the author is or anything elsefrom this.
    And all I know about the Marvel comics character is from that same wikipedia page.

    Thats the transcript on the video.

    Thanks for the Link HHoax
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    One of my favorite Maria Pia stories was her being ripped off by Debbie Cook. Debbie actually got a new Mercedes Benz from a commission she recieved, after regging Maria Pia for over a hundred thousand dollars to get Class VIII's trained up for Italy. Talk about trapped! Here she was, in the Sea Org, auditing at FSO on NOTs public, in Italian, and every week, she would be pulled in and regged for her family inheritance, which the staff knew about. A captive reg cycle. I wonder if she had to give the commission back when Maria Pia refunded and won her suit against them?
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    I think the transcription is incorrect.

    She is saying (with her Italian accent) 'The Legion of Space', a well known series by Jack Williamson. I can't however recall what she describes being in it and Wikipedia doesn't mention anything resembling it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Space_Series
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    Quote Originally Posted by hartley View Post
    I think the transcription is incorrect.

    She is saying (with her Italian accent) 'The Legion of Space', a well known series by Jack Williamson. I can't however recall what she describes being in it and Wikipedia doesn't mention anything resembling it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Space_Series
    What a dude, cheers ill check it out.

    The Legion of Space is a science-fiction novel by the American writer Jack Williamson. It was first published in book form by Fantasy Press in 1947 in an edition of 2,970 copies. The novel was revised from a version that was originally serialized in the magazine Astounding in 1934. Its serial origin is evident in nearly every chapter ending with a cliffhanger.

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