Today Tonight Exposes Scamming Scientologist

[oneonewasaracecar]

You are dealing with an organised criminal cult. In the process of setting you up for the rip off, a lot of information will have been gathered. Expect that this this information will be used against you. The initial response to you will be to wear you down financially and emotionally. It can get very ugly and, yes, they monitor this board constantly.

Some things you can do to mitigate the Scientology tactics:

- contact friends, family, colleagues and neighbours to let them know what is going on; tell them to expect to hear negative things about you and ask them to let you know if they are contacted by anyone who mentions your names; tell them to Google "Scientology Fair Game" for an idea of what's afoot

- do not trust *anyone* with original documents; give your lawyer scans, keep a scan for yourself but secrete the originals somewhere secure

- record, preferably with video, any and all conversations and meetings you have with anyone in relation to this matter

- don't throw anything in the rubbish that you wouldn't want to fall into Scientology's hands

- get a big dog

- hunker down for the long-haul; this matter will not be resolved quickly and many diversions will be put in place to detract from what it is that you want to achieve; never react to anything you see/hear without first measuring it against your objective, getting advice, and then sleeping on it; anything and everything you say will be held against you

- stay in touch; come and join our protests; know that you are not alone and that this is the best time ever to take on one of the cult's operatives.

- as hard as it will be, do not become obsessed with this situation; maintain perspective; try to eat, sleep, get hugs and move on with the greater part and more important aspects of your lives; they may have got your money, don't let them take your happiness and ability to relish life itself

This is a good post. It is important to be careful with original documents, to be patient, and to understand as much as you can about Scientology and how they operate.

Scientology might try to make this go away. You may find a bit of harassment. Scientology does, however, need to watch their arse in Australia at the moment. A lot is at stake. If they go and make a mess of this, they may lose their tax exemption. They may lose it anyway.

Scientology was a feared organization in the 70s. The guardian's office did all manner of nasty stuff. These days, they many of the operatives they use are same people they used back them. Now, they are in their 70s. You could make a Bourne movie out of this.

"I don't remember who I am. I don't know who that guy was. I don't know what I'm doing here."
"You have alzheimers, dear. Now do you want to have your dinner in bed or in the dining room with all the others. Just let me wipe you bum first."

Don't be frightened. They are literally toothless tigers (dentures aren't teeth). Also, the guys in Australia are lightweights compared to the Americans. The sort of tricks they still use are this: At a protest, they might tred on someone's toes, or bump into them, and try to get them angry. Once they are angry, they yell out to the cops that they have been assaulted. Do yourself a favour. If you have a camera on your phone use it. It will prevent 90% of anything that they are likely to do.

I wouldn't put breaking in and stealing documents past them. On the basis of the amount of financial risk, they could do this. Outright harassment, though, I would be surprised.

They (or more than likely she) are already trying to use the legal system to intimidate you. Patience is your friend. So are the people on these forums.

Although this scam has a connection with Scientology, and although we can see that she is using Scientology techniques in her presentation and approach, Scientology is not directly implicated in her activities. They don't have as much of an interest in this as she does.

As long as she is considered an asset to Scientology, they will protect her. However, Scientology is a business. The moment she is not profitable, and more of a liability than a revenue stream, they will dump her out like yesterday's garbage. Maureen Smith escaped the Sea Org by drinking a gulp of bleech. They thought she was a suicide/PR risk and they dumped her on the street. Scientology is replete with stories like this. John Gao, in Australia, had an untreated dental condition, which eventually became cancerous. When they realised he was going to die, they dumped him in the street. If bad things happed to people, Scientology says they 'pulled it in' (ie it's bad karma). So they don't really take care of their own. They are merciless.

No one protested at her event today, but I have started a new thread on WWP which will track her movements for anyone who wants to protest. When she is in Sydney, I can promise I will be there. After reading your post about what she has done, I suspect others will feel the same way. The moment she loses her reputation, she has nothing to trade. The moment she has nothing to trade, Scientology will see her as useless.

At the moment, she has enough money to put up her own legal defence and doesn't need Scientology. My suspicion is they would be wise to stay well away. That being said, her mother is a senior figure in the church. That being said, the church doesn't care about family, only itself.

Bottom line is this. Scientology or no Scientology lots of money is involved. Be careful, but not paranoid. These are people who are brainwashed and whose entire method of operation is very well documented. They are not creative. There are only so many tricks they know.

I would do the following
- Secure documents
- Carry a camera
- Try and avoid people you met through her, or who appeared at or about the time you started to have problems with her.
- Don't discuss your case on the phone. Only in person.
- Trust the legal system
- Get a shredder for all paperwork you need to bin
- Talk to your neighbours and tell them that you are taking a cult member to court. If they try the other trick of approaching neighbours to get info or to spread false rumours, you will have diffused the situation. Also, it may be possible to identify the person involved after the event.
- Enjoy life.

[JohnnyRUClear]

I would do the following
- Secure documents
- Carry a camera
- Try and avoid people you met through her, or who appeared at or about the time you started to have problems with her.
- Don't discuss your case on the phone. Only in person.
- Trust the legal system
- Get a shredder for all paperwork you need to bin
- Talk to your neighbours and tell them that you are taking a cult member to court. If they try the other trick of approaching neighbours to get info or to spread false rumours, you will have diffused the situation. Also, it may be possible to identify the person involved after the event.
- Enjoy life.

Other than the bolded bit, I agree.

Trusting government is rarely wise.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Other than the bolded bit, I agree.

Trusting government is rarely wise.

I am compelled to agree. When it comes to the Judicial system, "truth" is usually the first casualty.

[Cherished]

Yes true, but in this instance she knew it was a 'money free company' and went ahead and led people up the garden path as far as we can tell.I doubt the other party would have gone ahead with the contract had they known it was a postulate deal ... business is done this way constantly but it doesn't make it OK.

I am assuming there was no 'finance clause' written into the contract.

Granted. But there would have been no fraud if she had the funds available and intended to inject them into the $2 company in time to do the deal.

[Cherished]

In Denmark a 'company' is the legal entity.. Which means that the 'person' who 'owns' it cannot be made liable personally. So the 'company' can go 'bankrupt' and close. Thus we have repeated performances here of 'smart' company owners who go 'bankrupt', drive away in their Jaguars and start new companies the next day. Leaving their customers and creditors with huge losses. Many of these are realestate developers..

They're called "phoenix companies". ASIC has targeted them in campaigns from time to time because the behaviour has been particularly rife in the construction industry. Our corporations laws allow the banning of company directors who have been involved in multiple company insolvencies within a given time frame.

Monday 8 January 2007


Action by ASIC to crack down on the systematic misbehaviour of company officers who deliberately avoid their responsibilities to creditors has resulted in the removal of 40 directors.

ASIC Chairman, Mr Jeffrey Lucy, said today that ASIC was increasing its focus on misconduct by officers of assetless companies that have gone into liquidation and left behind unpaid creditors.

In the last year, ASIC has banned 40 directors for a total of 144 years who have engaged in misconduct following company failures and repeat phoenix activity.

Phoenix activity is typically associated with directors who transfer the assets of an indebted company into a new company of which they are also directors. The director then places the initial company into administration or liquidation with no assets to pay creditors, meanwhile continuing the business using the new company structure.

[Cherished]

On liquidation vs. bankrupt.

Let's say I have a fairly successful business. One day I decide I don't want to run this business no more, so I sell the business' assets (liquidate), close the whole thing down, take the money and go my merry way. That's liquidation.

Now let's say my business is less successful. I can't pay my creditors, can't pay anything at all, and there's no way out of there. I'm bankrupt.

I hope this explains the difference.

In Australia, the language depends upon whether your "business" is run by you personally or via a company. A company can be liquidated voluntarily (where all its debts are paid out and the surplus divided among shareholders) or in insolvency. Both are liquidation.

If you run the business personally, or if you personally guaranteed the company's debts and the guarantee is called in - then if you personally can't pay you may be bankrupted.

The term "bankruptcy" only applies to a human being in Australia. Not so in the US.

Also, insolvency laws allow the liquidator to 'claw back' funds paid out in various circumstances - including funds paid to the directors or their families... Additionally, if the director should have known that the company incurred a debt while insolvent, the director may be held personally liable to the company. So, the director may be bankrupted in addition to the company being liquidated.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

ASIC also keeps a close eye on company reports to prevent "companies" from running at a continuous alleged "loss", and thanks to the behavior of Alan (I can't remember anything) Bond and Christopher (I'll just take "my" millions to Majorca) Skase, directors are being held far more accountable for their actions. Carly is unlikely to get away with this but, as an attack on Scn, it still amounts to a rather toothless tiger.

[I told you I was trouble]

Granted. But there would have been no fraud if she had the funds available and intended to inject them into the $2 company in time to do the deal.

True, it looks as if she set the deal up so that she was in full control (at cause) and would effectively make her mind up whether to go ahead when she was good and ready.

I would still like to see the finance clause.

[protest]

True, it looks as if she set the deal up so that she was in full control (at cause) and would effectively make her mind up whether to go ahead when she was good and ready.

I would still like to see the finance clause.

This was a put and call option (same as an unconditional contract), there was no finance clause at all. It was unconditional, took 18months to negotiate and document.Carly Crutchfield assured me for two and a half years that she had the financial resources to buy and build. A few weeks from settlement she admitted she NEVER had the funds and it's quite NORMAL for her to buy something and think about how she would pay for it later!

She has always maintained she is worth in excess of $100m. Again thanks for your interest.I have written my story in full but am waiting on my lawyer to approve it's publication.

[protest]

Hi Everyone

I just want to say a BIG THANK YOU for all the support you have so generously offered.

In particular I want to thank Feral and outethicsofficer for their phone calls, incredible information and the depth of your commitment to help me get justice. You guys really know your suff!! And thanks everyone for passing on info and contacts!

A quick update is that I have a brilliant barrister on board working on my case against Carly Crutchfield and many of you are right in your comments.... we have laws which protect us from this conduct.

I have also been floored by the number of her former "clients" who have contacted me and shared their heartbreaking stories. Really, I can't believe how many gave up?!! Many were oblivious of their legal rights...