Yelling & Screaming

[Alanzo]

Yes, as I recall, you were capable of presenting an intimidating prescence when required.

One of the memories I have of Pat Bloomberg (when she was Captain of AOSHANZO) is of being witness to her giving a huge serve to one of her Juniors. It was the first time I'd seen her do this and it was impressive as to volume and intention!

As the chastened Staff Member cringed and stared at the floor, Pat looked at me over her victim's shoulder and winked. What she communicated with that wink was, "I'm just creating this, I'm not actually upset at her at all, this is how you use wrath."

At the time, that communication sufficed for me.

Scientology works!

[Rmack]

I really don't want to read through this whole thread, but I'll comment on the original post.

There really wasn't much yelling and screaming when I was in the S.O. back in 80-82 roughly. Much more relaxed until just at the end.

I was at flag for the big new year bash of (I think) '81/'82. Did anyone else attend that dinner for all staff that had the deer ice sculptures? I remember the flag mess hall was less than what it was a month before and after that one dinner.

It was around this time that I first heard serious yelling and screaming. It was coming from one of the cabanas or whatever in the back by the pool as I walked by one evening. It was Diana Hubbard-Horwich doing the screaming. I recognized her voice from previously.

I know that it was around the time of the famous mission holders massacre at flag, but I really didn't stop to listen long, as I always had other things to do. Who doesn't in that environment? I just remember that she kept yelling 'my father' at regular intervals in her rant. An obvious attempt to position herself as closer to 'source' than whoever she was fighting.

Well, we know how that came out, don't we?

[Happy Days]

Yelling, screaming, face ripping, being dragged down corridors, punching ... was and is common in the SO, I've experienced my fair share and all under the guise of religion and freedom.

This behaviour is conditioning at its best... it instills fear into individuals so they become compliant and subservient.

Although when I questioned the Snr CS AOSH ANZO, Wayne Peachey, as to why such hard core discipline is being used on SO members, he responded by saying 'It's to bring the team together'.

To which I reply 'well if you need that kind of hard core discipline to bring the team together and Scientology has all the answers, well we are in real trouble'. At that point he went quiet and the phone call ended not long after.

My daughter Fiona tried it with me when I wouldn't pull into line on the subject of Scientology and when I gave back to her what she was giving to me she crumbled because it's not in her nature to be mean. She was using the same mechanism she used on other SO members, staff etc to get compliance.

Sadly the cult gives these young adults, CMO, SNR Exec positions this false perception that they have power and can use it regardless. The yelling and screaming is an apparency of power, control and responsibility and really it is worthless and sends these young ones on a major power trip that will short circuit eventually.

When they finally come out of the SO into the real world there will be hard lessons for them to learn and life does have a tendency to teach one lessons.

[MrNobody]

After Scientology, I was at a marketing trade show in Las Vegas and a person I was sharing a booth with, actually a client of mine, began to treat me very unjustly, trying to personally intimidate me and control me, insulting me and yelling at me very rudely in front of the others there.

I turned on him with all the fury I had built up inside me from all my years of being treated this way in Scientology. All those times I took all that yelling and abuse from seniors in Scientology came up out of me and I let that guy have it in front of everyone.

He did not expect me to risk my job and say what I said to him. He was used to people who just took his abuse, kept their heads down, and said, "Yes sir".

The guy's son was there. And the son became very embarrassed and upset with his father. He tried to apologize to me for him and the father looked all around at the people in the booth staring at him (people he had abused before) and the people walking by at the trade show, and at all the booths around us. They were all staring at him. This terrified look came over his face, and he walked away.

I was shaking. I was panting like I had just been in a real fight.

I went into the bathroom to cool down and looked at myself in the mirror.

A smile came over my face and I said out loud, "You just stood up for yourself."

When I got out of Scientology, I had vowed never to let anyone treat me like that again.

Your best friend would never let you be treated this way by anyone. Your best friend would stick up for you and would fight for you. Your best friend would remind you that YOU EXIST and that you do not deserve to be treated this way.

I had just become my own best friend again.

Once a person has been in a cult, and been abused in the ways that cults abuse people, it is important that he begin to trust himself again. It is important that he prove to himself that he can be his own best friend again.

I will never forget this incident.

It is one that I needed to give to myself after Scientology.

Hey Alanzo, I quoted your post because I like it. I like it for several reasons, one of 'em being an exception to my "rule".

My "rule" is: Yelling and screaming, in almost all cases, is a statement of mental and/or physical weakness. "I just HAVE to scream and yell, because I don't have the slightest clue about how to deal with the situation I'm in." "I'm powerless."

Usually, that's the only statement one can find behind yelling and screaming, but in your case, it was a great statement of "I take my power back, no matter what. Deal with it!"

[Iknowtoomuch]

Welcome to ESMB!


The yelling and screaming was normal when I was in. It got very very tiring.

[Ogsonofgroo]

As a lowly new staffer I chewed out a senior exec once. Does that count?


Mark A. Baker

Well now, you obviously had yer mouth full and couldn't be heard!



(ook, ya dat was bad.... *shame*)

[Ogsonofgroo]

Yelling, screaming, face ripping, being dragged down corridors, punching ... was and is common in the SO, I've experienced my fair share and all under the guise of religion and freedom.

This behaviour is conditioning at its best... it instills fear into individuals so they become compliant and subservient.

Although when I questioned the Snr CS AOSH ANZO, Wayne Peachey, as to why such hard core discipline is being used on SO members, he responded by saying 'It's to bring the team together'.

To which I reply 'well if you need that kind of hard core discipline to bring the team together and Scientology has all the answers, well we are in real trouble'. At that point he went quiet and the phone call ended not long after.

My daughter Fiona tried it with me when I wouldn't pull into line on the subject of Scientology and when I gave back to her what she was giving to me she crumbled because it's not in her nature to be mean. She was using the same mechanism she used on other SO members, staff etc to get compliance.

Sadly the cult gives these young adults, CMO, SNR Exec positions this false perception that they have power and can use it regardless. The yelling and screaming is an apparency of power, control and responsibility and really it is worthless and sends these young ones on a major power trip that will short circuit eventually.

When they finally come out of the SO into the real world there will be hard lessons for them to learn and life does have a tendency to teach one lessons.

Good post that. (and the "we love you fiona" thread at wwp was recently bumped, cause, um, well, some of us do care. Just thought I'd mention it to ya)

[Outethicsofficer]

Good post that. (and the "we love you fiona" thread at wwp was recently bumped, cause, um, well, some of us do care. Just thought I'd mention it to ya)

Thanks for letting us know too about the 'Fiona thread bump' we know you guys care

James

[Happy Days]

Good post that. (and the "we love you fiona" thread at wwp was recently bumped, cause, um, well, some of us do care. Just thought I'd mention it to ya)

Thank you so much... teared up justing reading this ...

[mnql1]

A 1983 affidavit by an ex-staffer of the Toronto org contains this gem about Scientology ritual yelling:

The Executive Director of the Org, in an effort to push the staff to higher production, on May 15th, 1981, walked throughout the Org with a sign on the back of her clipboard, upon which was written, "Go for blood". This sign was in reference to a staff meeting the previous week (May 8th, 1981) where all staff were required to yell repeatedly after the Executive Director, "Go for the throat. Go for blood. Go for the bloody throat".

Source: http://www.xenu-directory.net/docume...bit73.html#p17
Additional info on A.R.S.: Re.: Scientology sales tech: "Go for the throat. Go for blood. Go for the bloody throat."