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    Here's a link for the tragic death of heribert pfaff, scientology deprives him of his medicaton.


    http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/kult-epelep.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by nessa View Post
    Here's a link for the tragic death of heribert pfaff, scientology deprives him of his medicaton.


    http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/kult-epelep.htm
    This is one of the most preventable deaths in the history of Scientology. There are thousands of articles and website posts about what happened to the guy.

    It's listed as the # 2 Top Evil of Scientology, right behind the treatment and death of Lisa McPherson:
    http://listverse.com/2008/01/28/top-...f-scientology/



    Fort Harrison Hotel - Room 758
    Death of scientologist Heribert Pfaff

    "Professor of neurology Günther Schwendemann: I can tell you with the utmost probability, that with adequate treatment the patient would still be alive today. "
    http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirror...t/room758.html

    Tory Christman goes int great detail on what happened with her being taken off her seizure meds. I also knew a woman at LA Org who had frequent seizures for the same reason. Lisa McPherson and Jett Travolta are additional sad example. I lost many years of good health because of Scientology's insistence on bad alternative medicine crap instead of appropriate medical treatment. It goes on today because members are not thinking for themselves and are pressured into believing sham doctors.

    If you, reader,. are feeling ill, get appropriate medcal care. You have every right to receive it. There is no policy that says you can't go to a regular traditional meical doctor. This altermative meds thing is a holdover from back in the 80s
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    In case some of you missed this or you're new here, I'll repost this from my Reg Corner thread.

    As it turns out, I may have been the last person to see poor Herbert alive. Here's the story:

    I’m at Flag regging donations. A guy shows up from Germany. After he settled in for a few days in the HGC and started to have some wins (this was and is carefully monitored by Registration), my boss told me to get him briefed up and regged to donate a large chunk.

    So I wander down to the HGC (in these days it was in the Cabannas along side the swimming pool at the FH) to locate the guy. He comes out of session and while he’s waiting in the HGC waiting room, I slide alongside and start the ball rolling.

    I noticed he was moving his tongue around a lot in his mouth and I asked about it. He said that he’d had a “small epileptic fit” the night before and had bit his tongue a bit. He stuck it out to show me and it was ASTONISHING! The left 25% of his tongue (front to back) was just flattened – and I mean FLATTENED.

    I asked if it hurt and should ne not see a doctor. He said it was getting better.

    I asked if he had any medication to use to prevent another episode. As I remember it, he said, “No, the C/S and I are working out a handling so I never have to take the medicine again.”

    I thought this was strange, but I was there to ask him for a donation.

    A few moments later, the Board IC told him that he would be first up the next day, so he should go to bed right away. I asked him if he would stay up and talk to me. He said no, but that he was interested in my project and would love to hear more about it in the morning, right after his first session. So we made an appointment.

    Later that night at product conference, my senior verbally “beat the shit out of me” for not getting the cycle done that night. But I went to bed happy that I had a “good cycle” for the next morning. If I got it wrapped up before the 1:00pm product conference, I would be vindicated!

    Next morning around 10:00am I wandered down to the HGC looking for my guy. There was a bit of commotion going on near the board, so I elbowed my way in to see what was going on. One of the hotel staff (Flag Crew reg – who was also at the product conference the night before) told me that my guy was dead – died in bed in his room in the night – from (of all things) an epileptic seizure.

    So now I end up at the 1:00pm product conference and in front of all the other regges get “dressed down” by the same product officer – BIG TIME.
    Another reg that was there who happened to be from the same country as the dead guy says something like, “What an asshole, that guy always was Dev-T”.

    I've never mentioned the conversation I had with Herbert that night, but I’m doing it now.
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    Wow. I read that before but it never ceases to move me.

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    David McCarthy was also an epileptic who died. He was a Sea Org member and a very good friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock View Post
    David McCarthy was also an epileptic who died. He was a Sea Org member and a very good friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMary View Post
    yes. Dave was a brash, big man, fun to be around. When his wife, Linda, found out she was pregnant Dave and I were on mission together - she telexed me to wake him up and tell him. Travis is their son.

    Linda is still in - alas.

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    It's so shocking to hear the amount of deaths that are caused by scientology. I'm glad its being made public though, along with tons of news over internet about it all.

    Here's another link i've found

    http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=5004


    It's not related to heribert pfaff though, but its got intersting article (blogs), plus videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMary View Post
    This is one of the most preventable deaths in the history of Scientology. There are thousands of articles and website posts about what happened to the guy.

    It's listed as the # 2 Top Evil of Scientology, right behind the treatment and death of Lisa McPherson:
    http://listverse.com/2008/01/28/top-...f-scientology/



    Fort Harrison Hotel - Room 758
    Death of scientologist Heribert Pfaff

    "Professor of neurology Günther Schwendemann: I can tell you with the utmost probability, that with adequate treatment the patient would still be alive today. "
    http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirror...t/room758.html

    Tory Christman goes int great detail on what happened with her being taken off her seizure meds. I also knew a woman at LA Org who had frequent seizures for the same reason. Lisa McPherson and Jett Travolta are additional sad example. I lost many years of good health because of Scientology's insistence on bad alternative medicine crap instead of appropriate medical treatment. It goes on today because members are not thinking for themselves and are pressured into believing sham doctors.

    If you, reader,. are feeling ill, get appropriate medcal care. You have every right to receive it. There is no policy that says you can't go to a regular traditional meical doctor. This altermative meds thing is a holdover from back in the 80s
    in California, when it was all the rage to buck the system.
    Heres another link on Lisa Mcpherson


    http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

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    Default Oh my god!

    I knew Heribert and his wife - we were living in the same town before they left for Flag with the big hope that Auditing could handle his Illness - Epilepsy with heavy Grand Mal seizures Actually I helped for some weeks during the nights because she feared that he could hurt himself while having a seizure. I wonder why there was nobody in the hotel room with Heribert when this happened in the Fort Harrison Hotel at Flag. His wife was a very responsible person - this was why she asked me to care for him during the nights. As far as I know both of them were on "Lines" in Mission Ulm before they left to Flag. By the way the very same Mission where my brother Uwe was recruited into the Sea Org.

    See also:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost....63&postcount=4

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=14804

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    Quote Originally Posted by This is NOT OK !!!! View Post
    In case some of you missed this or you're new here, I'll repost this from my Reg Corner thread.

    As it turns out, I may have been the last person to see poor Herbert alive. Here's the story:

    I’m at Flag regging donations. A guy shows up from Germany. After he settled in for a few days in the HGC and started to have some wins (this was and is carefully monitored by Registration), my boss told me to get him briefed up and regged to donate a large chunk.

    So I wander down to the HGC (in these days it was in the Cabannas along side the swimming pool at the FH) to locate the guy. He comes out of session and while he’s waiting in the HGC waiting room, I slide alongside and start the ball rolling.

    I noticed he was moving his tongue around a lot in his mouth and I asked about it. He said that he’d had a “small epileptic fit” the night before and had bit his tongue a bit. He stuck it out to show me and it was ASTONISHING! The left 25% of his tongue (front to back) was just flattened – and I mean FLATTENED.

    I asked if it hurt and should ne not see a doctor. He said it was getting better.

    I asked if he had any medication to use to prevent another episode. As I remember it, he said, “No, the C/S and I are working out a handling so I never have to take the medicine again.”

    I thought this was strange, but I was there to ask him for a donation.

    A few moments later, the Board IC told him that he would be first up the next day, so he should go to bed right away. I asked him if he would stay up and talk to me. He said no, but that he was interested in my project and would love to hear more about it in the morning, right after his first session. So we made an appointment.

    Later that night at product conference, my senior verbally “beat the shit out of me” for not getting the cycle done that night. But I went to bed happy that I had a “good cycle” for the next morning. If I got it wrapped up before the 1:00pm product conference, I would be vindicated!

    Next morning around 10:00am I wandered down to the HGC looking for my guy. There was a bit of commotion going on near the board, so I elbowed my way in to see what was going on. One of the hotel staff (Flag Crew reg – who was also at the product conference the night before) told me that my guy was dead – died in bed in his room in the night – from (of all things) an epileptic seizure.

    So now I end up at the 1:00pm product conference and in front of all the other regges get “dressed down” by the same product officer – BIG TIME.
    Another reg that was there who happened to be from the same country as the dead guy says something like, “What an asshole, that guy always was Dev-T”.

    I've never mentioned the conversation I had with Herbert that night, but I’m doing it now.
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