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    Default Re: Scientology kills epileptics - Heribert Pfaff

    Just up at Infinite Complacency, the first half of a two-part article
    revisiting the 1988 death of Heribert Pfaff.

    When Heribert Pfaff died of an epileptic seizure in Clearwater Florida,
    he was using Scientology processing to try to wean himself off his
    medication.


    http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-death-of-heribert-pfaff-i.html

    My thanks to Markus Stuckenbrock and Fred Oxaal for elaborating on their
    previous posts about what happened to Pfaff -- and to German film-makers
    Egmont Koch and Mona Botros for their invaluable help with the article.
    I'll run the second half early next week.

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    Thank you for such a thorough and important article, Jonny. And thanks to Markus Stuckenbrock and Fred Oxaal for speaking up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMary View Post
    Thank you for such a thorough and important article, Jonny. And thanks to Markus Stuckenbrock and Fred Oxaal for speaking up!
    Yes indeed. And what an important story this is!

    And Fred my dear, dear friend as you know I have been waiting a long time for this to be made public.

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    Thank you Jonny, Markus and Fred.

    scientology: knowing how to know shit. More poisoned minds leading to disaster and death.


    And Ben Shaw, how much cover-up of this medical malpractice death did OSA do? Is that what OSA does with its staff that are possibly culpable in crimes? Hide them in Scientology WISE groups extracting money from professionals to feed a mind poisoning cult?

    I know it is many years but I just have to say my condolences to the Pfaff family and RIP Heribert.


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    Rest In Peace, Heribert. You Are Not Forgotten.
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    Default Re: Scientology kills epileptics - Heribert Pfaff

    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Just up at Infinite Complacency, the first half of a two-part article
    revisiting the 1988 death of Heribert Pfaff.

    When Heribert Pfaff died of an epileptic seizure in Clearwater Florida,
    he was using Scientology processing to try to wean himself off his
    medication.


    http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-death-of-heribert-pfaff-i.html

    My thanks to Markus Stuckenbrock and Fred Oxaal for elaborating on their
    previous posts about what happened to Pfaff -- and to German film-makers
    Egmont Koch and Mona Botros for their invaluable help with the article.
    I'll run the second half early next week.

    Jonny Jacobsen
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    Yes, thank you.

    Unbelievable . How do these people live with themselves, after something like this . . . ????

    Why, with auditing their complicity and guilt into oblivion, of course.

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    Default Re: Scientology kills epileptics - Heribert Pfaff

    Second part of the article on the death of Heribert Pfaff is up now at Infinite Complacency:

    In a letter to German film-makers, Dr Klaus Ballin tried to explain his treatment of Heribert
    Pfaff. His patient had died from an epileptic fit after Ballin replaced his anti-convulsant
    medication with a Scientology-based treatment.

    http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot....aff-ii_30.html

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    Oh the stuff gets amazingly weird... I started having grand mal seizures during one of my internships.

    The actually amazing woman who was the Senior C/S pretty much insisted i went to a doc for this, because that is technically what the HCOBs say you do... but, I knew that life in the cult was fucked if you did that, and so refused. I would go lie down and 'take a break' and have a seizure. I even had cramming cycles where the new C/S did a drill where she freaking bull-baited me about seizing, because 'that' would handle it.

    I did have seizures... and the cult seemed to fix that, and it's pretty much the main reason I got hooked into Sco. Then later, when I was under so much psychotic stress in the cult, I wound up with much worse seizures. For some reason, when I left, they completely went away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clamicide View Post
    Oh the stuff gets amazingly weird... I started having grand mal seizures during one of my internships.

    The actually amazing woman who was the Senior C/S pretty much insisted i went to a doc for this, because that is technically what the HCOBs say you do... but, I knew that life in the cult was fucked if you did that, and so refused. I would go lie down and 'take a break' and have a seizure. I even had cramming cycles where the new C/S did a drill where she freaking bull-baited me about seizing, because 'that' would handle it.

    I did have seizures... and the cult seemed to fix that, and it's pretty much the main reason I got hooked into Sco. Then later, when I was under so much psychotic stress in the cult, I wound up with much worse seizures. For some reason, when I left, they completely went away.

    Make of it what you will
    This is classic episodic disease. Sometimes stress brings it on, sometimes it's pure random. The problem here is that when the disease naturally goes into remission, people (not saying you) ascribe that postitive outcome to whatever they were doing at the time - alternative therapy, modern medicine, yogo, whatever. And it's just the natural course of the disease to wax and wane. That's why modern medicine insists on large numbers of patients in double-blind, placebo-controlled trials to ascribe efficacy to anything.

    It reminds me of a story my 9th grade Geometry teacher told. He bought a new car the year that intermittent wipers became standard. Before that, you young whipper-snappers, there were only 2 settings on the wipers- slow and fast. No control of the tempo. So he's driving and it starts to rain. He turns on the wipers one click. Nothing. Rats, he's go to take the new car to the shop, wipers don't work. He shrugs and reaches for the radio knob. As soon as he touches it, the wipers swipe once. He draws his hand from the radio knob, quickly. Wipers stop working. Lather, rinse, repeat. Three times. He figures that he's either going crazy, or his car has the weirdest electrical fault in the history of carmaking. So he sits for a minute. And the wipers finally swipe without his hand on the radio. And then he looks at the wiper controls and figures it out. That, ladies and gents, is exactly the mechanism (minus the last, thoughtful part) of how all kinds of woo and bullshit get established, and sincerely believed in, by the alternative medical community.
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