OK. Read that before . More comment tomorrow. Its late here.Originally Posted by Student of Trinity
OK. Read that before . More comment tomorrow. Its late here.
Seems pretty clear to me . . .
. . . nothing has changed since which is why science has had no time for Scientology for 50 years.
"A person will never be free from Scientology if they use Scientology to explain Scientology - they will always be left with huge unexplained gaps that can never be answered because the answers Scientology gives are inadequate and false." - Alanzo
Everyone knows that in 75 hours of 8-80 processing you will attain Clear Theta Clear. Turn it white turn it white turn it white skrawwk skrawwk pftttttt.
It is. It is a common technique in auditing.
Mark A. Baker
I have to correct this.
Technique 8-80 was introduced when LRH realised (didnt need to be him exactly) that a being acts as a mirror and so does record mental image pictures.
He got this theory of aesthetics to be a beauty wave and that aesthetics would lose up all the effort in a facsimile. While writing this book, he found it to be more usefull on the electrical incidents on the time track of the being having the concept that "running out" the aesthetic band will lose up actually all the effort and emotion of that electronic incidents.
The truth is, that aesthetics is merely a high wave band of energy that can shutter the effort or any lower band energy.
From this one theory, and by application of this theory he (or somebody) meanwhile found, that a CONCEPT is also a high wave thought. He found some basic concepts that do lose up electronic incidents and such process is quiet tough cause it goes through the enforced concepts at the electronic incidents, restimulating them. Doing right this concept running in combination of Black and White one could possible run those electronic incidents right there.
The point is the awareness level of the person. Actually there is no electronic incidents anywhere. The being, trying to find an electronic incidents in his past, actually puts it there himself. Sure the charge of it is hanging around him. But the picture must be created to review it, so one can erase it.
Technique 8-80 is higher awareness level running procedure. It wasnt supposed to replace Incident running, as one should first have a glance of his own time track, before one would be able to "recall" it for running concept processing on it.
Later on he realised the "beauty wave" had one basic thing in it that could be used in other procesess, and that would be the admiration. Its the same thing, with the correct name for it.
Getting back again and reviewing the whole tech, he gave the phoenix lectures, where you can find a lot of admiration stuff. (actually evolved from Black and White)
But if i can give you an advice. Dont think of this time stuff, like 75 hours and all is gone. By putting the time there, thoughts get quiet tougher.
One big difference was that Jung was honest, and Hubbard was not.
IMO, meters can be useful, to a limited extent, as stress detectors. In a manipulative environment, or a manipulative system, they can - and are - used to trick and exploit.
It would have been interesting to read Hubbard's mind - in the early 1950s - while he watched the audience going 'Ooh!" and "Ah!" when demonstrations were being made with the Mathison meter using a projector to display the needle swing - as a shadow - on a screen.
"This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillion years."
P.T. Barnum.
As he did with so many other things in Scientology that have a (limited) benign or positive aspect, Hubbard used e-meters, not only in a positive way, but also to deceive, manipulate, control, and dominate.
For example, in confidential "upper level" materials, Hubbard describes ancient implants; he provides suggestive "instructions" about what will happen, or what the person will see, presents dire warnings about this or that - while the solo auditor is watching the dial of his meter that (despite PR denials) is being used as a truth detector. Further on, the person is told he's infested with what Hubbard called "body thetans." "Body thetans" that, unless "blown," will drag him down the "dwindling spiral" into a hell worse than any envisioned by any religion.
Hubbard, through the materials, explains that what he's telling the solo auditor may seem unreal to the solo auditor, but once the solo auditor has watched enough needle swings (reactions), well, then that unreality with disappear.
And before even arriving "in session' for their "Hubbard Guidance," Scientologists will have read, and read many times, these words (which are taken quite seriously despite PR assurances that "Scientologist think for themselves."):
"The whole agonized future of this planet, every, Man, Woman, and Child on it, and you own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology.
"This is a deadly serious activity."
That's a toxic mind game, not enlightenment.
Hey, multixperince, did you do any auditing today, or are you still just listening to your Hubbard lectures?
Yes , instills fear to the core...
Hi Veda
I am not listening to the Hubbard lectures. Reviewing written materials. Doing som mental excer. and looking at things.
I dont think that it would be beneficial for you to degrade my activitie in a way of "or are you just listening..."
I am sure if one would listen to something in the real way, would be in very good shape.
Maybe Veda, others are flapping on the fact that are JUST LISTENING, not looking.
Would you agree with this with me, or at least a part of it?
Wouldnt you like to become my data evaluator?
OK.
As I recall, Technique 88 is discussed in recorded lectures from around early '52, and also, briefly, in Tech Volume #1, and, perhaps, briefly, in the book, 'History of Man'.
8-80 is a book, and it appears that you're reading the book 'Scientology 8-80'.
It does seem like pretty cool stuff doesn't it?
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