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    Here is my story about brainwashing

    As you know I have tried unsuccessfully to get this posted elsewhere. I have tried also to tell this story many times since it occurred to me that it might be helpful, but it does not seem to be of interest or there is a lot of apathy out there which is certainly understandable. I retell this here as it is about the tech and I think its useful in explaining a lot of what has happened over the years.

    Firstly, I swear that this is the absolute and complete truth even though it occurred 37 years ago.

    Secondly, a little about me which might put things into perspective as to why I saw what I am about to say as very significant and in a way horrific.I was in the SO for a little under 14 years. I attained the "rank' of Lt. Commander through promotions only by Hubbard. I was OEC and FEBC(trained by Hubbard) , HSDC, Class nine when I left in December 27 1981, as well as DSEC, Nots auditor, plus assorted other stuff. I was OT five plus nots, plus sec checked up the wazoo over the years. I also audited between 3-4000 hours conservatively speaking-probably much more, a lot of this was under Hub as the C/S. I spent about 3 1/2 years working with Hubbard pretty directly on the ship at various posts.I got to know him as well as anybody did.
    My last position was Chairman of the Board and ED Int both by directive of LRH personally.

    OK

    Thirdly and to the point of all this preamble, on one night in 1974 I found myself in David mayo's office in the tween decks of the Apollo.
    It was very late or early in the morning. We were ,I believe in the port of Safi, Morrocco. A student of mine, I was currently D of T and Mayo was Flag Snr C/S, had blown. Hubbard was extremely angry with us due to this blown student of mine on the FEBC program. In an attempt to show Hubbard what we had done to handle this guy we collected up all the sec checking that he had received over the last 2 months, it had been a lot poor guy, and presented it to him along with an outline of this student's progress on the courses he had taken. We had also wanted to show him how we had been careful that he hadn't gone by misunderstoods, etc.

    We waited and waited and about 0300 hrs a messenger came down with a Despatch written by LRH. My memory does not recall any folders being returned. The despatch was entitled Very Confidential underlined. "He went onto say that if you or Franks ever reveal any of this information that I am about to reveal, the consequences will be severe for SCN."
    He then wrote" a person does not blow due Overts or Witholds. He blows only due to ARC BKs".
    "However, If any of this information ever became public,I would lose all control of the orgs and eventually Scientology as a whole".signed "LRH"
    Both Mayo and me looked at one another completely incredulously. I cannot speak for Dave but I was completely flabbergasted as I realized at that point of digestion that he is talking about something that 75-80% of the tech is premised upon. Furthermore, the OEC/FEBC was currently anchored by the latest" development" at the time -being the L's, L-10,11, & 12.which for tose who don't know is about OW's. I don't believe Mayo or I talked about this again until we were out where I saw him at his auditing facility in Montecito, California in 1983. I believed we were a bit shell shocked about this.
    As for me, I began to see more and more that scientology was merely a big prison camp. I stayed in for another 7 plus years but I was always mindful of this and always had in mind changing this "tech". I believe it is the key to what we have all seen and experienced as brainwashing.

    That is all. I hope someone who want to use this will do so as there is no doubt that there is good in the tech it is just a matter of where is it.
    How do you sort out the good and the bad and at the same time keep the good without throwing out the baby with the bath water.
    I regret that I could not fix this during my tenure.

    Best, wogman Bill Franks
    Last edited by gwells; 26th February 2011 at 10:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwells View Post
    Here is my story about brainwashing. As you know I have tried unsuccessfully to get this posted elsewhere. I have tried also to tell this story many times since it occurred to me that it might be helpful, but it does not seem to be of interest or there is a lot of apathy out there which is certainly understandable. I retell this here as it is about the tech and I think its useful in explaining a lot of what has happened over the years.

    Firstly, I swear that this is the absolute and complete truth even though it occurred 37 years ago.

    Secondly, a little about me which might put things into perspective as to why I saw what I am about to say as very significant and in a way horrific.I was in the SO for a little under 14 years. I attained the "rank' of Lt. Commander through promotions only by Hubbard. I was OEC and FEBC(trained by Hubbard) , HSDC, Class nine when I left in December 27 1981, as well as DSEC, Nots auditor, plus assorted other stuff. I was OT five plus nots, plus sec checked up the wazoo over the years. I also audited between 3-4000 hours conservatively speaking-probably much more, a lot of this was under Hub as the C/S. I spent about 3 1/2 years working with Hubbard pretty directly on the ship at various posts.Ii got to know him as well as anybody did.
    My last position was Chairman of the Board and ED Int both by directive of LRH personally.

    OK

    Thirdly and to the point of all this preamble, on one night in 1974 I found myself in David mayo's office in the tween decks of the Apollo.
    It was very late or early in the morning. We were ,i believe in the port of Safi, Morrocco. A student of mine, I was currently D of T and Mayo was Flag Snr C/S, had blown. Hubbard was extremely angry with us due to this blown student of mine on the FEBC program. In an attempt to show Hubbard what we had done to handle this guy we collected up all the sec checking that he had received over the last 2 months, it had been a lot poor guy, and presented it to him along with an outline ofthis studen't progress on the courses he had taken. We had also wanted to show him how we had been careful that he hadn't gone by misunderstoods, etc.

    We waited and waited and about 0300 hrs a messenger came down with a Despatch written by LRH. My memory does not recall any folders being returned. The despatch was entitled Very Confidential underlined. "He went onto say that if you or Franks ever reveal any of this information that I am about to reveal, the consequences will be severe for SCN."
    He then wrote" a person does not blow due Overts or Witholds. He blows only due to ARC BKs".
    "However, If any of this information ever became public,I would lose all control of the orgs and eventually Scientology as a whole".signed "LRH"
    Both Mayo and me looked at one another completely incredulously. I cannot speak for Dave but I was completely flabbergasted as I realized at that point of digestion that he is talking about something that 75-80% of the tech is premised upon. Furthermore, the OEC/FEBC was currently anchored by the latest" developpment" at the time -being the L's, L-10,11, & 12.which for tose who don't know is about OW's. I don't believe Mayo or I talked about this again until we were out where I saw him at his auditing facility in Montecito, California in 1983. I believed we were a bit shell shocked about this.
    As for me, I began to see more and more that scientology was merely a big prison camp. I stayed in for another 7 plus years but I was always mindful of this and always had in mind changing this "tech". I believe it is the key to what we have all seen and experienced as brainwashing.

    That is all. I hope someone who want to use this will do so as there is no doubt that there is good in the tech it is just a matter of where is it.
    How do you sort out the good and the bad and at the same time keep the good without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
    I regret that I could not fix this during my tenure.

    Best, wogman Bill Franks
    Thanks for the story & the insights it provides.


    Mark A. Baker
    p.s. Welcome to the board, Bill.

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    The Hubbard-thing was an artificially conjured being and as such couldn't tell his hole from an ass in the ground.

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    Does anyone know anything more about this?
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    I think gwells is another person posting something written by Bill, Mark.
    Is there more to this, g?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwells View Post
    Bill Frank's story about brainwashing

    Here is my story about brainwashing. As you know I have tried unsuccessfully to get this posted elsewhere. I have tried also to tell this story many times since it occurred to me that it might be helpful, but it does not seem to be of interest or there is a lot of apathy out there which is certainly understandable. I retell this here as it is about the tech and I think its useful in explaining a lot of what has happened over the years.

    Firstly, I swear that this is the absolute and complete truth even though it occurred 37 years ago.

    Secondly, a little about me which might put things into perspective as to why I saw what I am about to say as very significant and in a way horrific.I was in the SO for a little under 14 years. I attained the "rank' of Lt. Commander through promotions only by Hubbard. I was OEC and FEBC(trained by Hubbard) , HSDC, Class nine when I left in December 27 1981, as well as DSEC, Nots auditor, plus assorted other stuff. I was OT five plus nots, plus sec checked up the wazoo over the years. I also audited between 3-4000 hours conservatively speaking-probably much more, a lot of this was under Hub as the C/S. I spent about 3 1/2 years working with Hubbard pretty directly on the ship at various posts.Ii got to know him as well as anybody did.
    My last position was Chairman of the Board and ED Int both by directive of LRH personally.

    OK

    Thirdly and to the point of all this preamble, on one night in 1974 I found myself in David mayo's office in the tween decks of the Apollo.
    It was very late or early in the morning. We were ,i believe in the port of Safi, Morrocco. A student of mine, I was currently D of T and Mayo was Flag Snr C/S, had blown. Hubbard was extremely angry with us due to this blown student of mine on the FEBC program. In an attempt to show Hubbard what we had done to handle this guy we collected up all the sec checking that he had received over the last 2 months, it had been a lot poor guy, and presented it to him along with an outline ofthis studen't progress on the courses he had taken. We had also wanted to show him how we had been careful that he hadn't gone by misunderstoods, etc.

    We waited and waited and about 0300 hrs a messenger came down with a Despatch written by LRH. My memory does not recall any folders being returned. The despatch was entitled Very Confidential underlined. "He went onto say that if you or Franks ever reveal any of this information that I am about to reveal, the consequences will be severe for SCN."
    He then wrote" a person does not blow due Overts or Witholds. He blows only due to ARC BKs".
    "However, If any of this information ever became public,I would lose all control of the orgs and eventually Scientology as a whole".signed "LRH"
    Both Mayo and me looked at one another completely incredulously. I cannot speak for Dave but I was completely flabbergasted as I realized at that point of digestion that he is talking about something that 75-80% of the tech is premised upon. Furthermore, the OEC/FEBC was currently anchored by the latest" developpment" at the time -being the L's, L-10,11, & 12.which for tose who don't know is about OW's. I don't believe Mayo or I talked about this again until we were out where I saw him at his auditing facility in Montecito, California in 1983. I believed we were a bit shell shocked about this.
    As for me, I began to see more and more that scientology was merely a big prison camp. I stayed in for another 7 plus years but I was always mindful of this and always had in mind changing this "tech". I believe it is the key to what we have all seen and experienced as brainwashing.

    That is all. I hope someone who want to use this will do so as there is no doubt that there is good in the tech it is just a matter of where is it.
    How do you sort out the good and the bad and at the same time keep the good without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
    I regret that I could not fix this during my tenure.

    Best, wogman Bill Franks
    I love it, the story,the truth. Thank you. Welcome to ESMB. Please stay. I bet you have lots of stories. I certainly, would like to hear them.

    Personally speaking, I have not seen any real value come from the Ls, and I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for OT3. I use pretty much everything OT1 and below plus entity handling and a variety of other influences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda Termint View Post
    Does anyone know anything more about this?
    Yeah, a bit;this follows from an interesting FB conversation that Robyn Scott and Bill had with two indies.

    I was about to write to Bill to ask for this info so I'm glad it came up here.

    I don't know if Gwells is Bill or a third person.

    But thanks Bill and/or Gwells, very interesting story.!
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    He then wrote" a person does not blow due Overts or Witholds. He blows only due to ARC BKs".
    "However, If any of this information ever became public,I would lose all control of the orgs and eventually Scientology as a whole".signed "LRH"

    Yep, that about explains it. God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwells View Post
    Bill Frank's story about brainwashing

    Here is my story about brainwashing. As you know I have tried unsuccessfully to get this posted elsewhere. I have tried also to tell this story many times since it occurred to me that it might be helpful, but it does not seem to be of interest or there is a lot of apathy out there which is certainly understandable. I retell this here as it is about the tech and I think its useful in explaining a lot of what has happened over the years.

    Firstly, I swear that this is the absolute and complete truth even though it occurred 37 years ago.

    Secondly, a little about me which might put things into perspective as to why I saw what I am about to say as very significant and in a way horrific.I was in the SO for a little under 14 years. I attained the "rank' of Lt. Commander through promotions only by Hubbard. I was OEC and FEBC(trained by Hubbard) , HSDC, Class nine when I left in December 27 1981, as well as DSEC, Nots auditor, plus assorted other stuff. I was OT five plus nots, plus sec checked up the wazoo over the years. I also audited between 3-4000 hours conservatively speaking-probably much more, a lot of this was under Hub as the C/S. I spent about 3 1/2 years working with Hubbard pretty directly on the ship at various posts.Ii got to know him as well as anybody did.
    My last position was Chairman of the Board and ED Int both by directive of LRH personally.

    OK

    Thirdly and to the point of all this preamble, on one night in 1974 I found myself in David mayo's office in the tween decks of the Apollo.
    It was very late or early in the morning. We were ,i believe in the port of Safi, Morrocco. A student of mine, I was currently D of T and Mayo was Flag Snr C/S, had blown. Hubbard was extremely angry with us due to this blown student of mine on the FEBC program. In an attempt to show Hubbard what we had done to handle this guy we collected up all the sec checking that he had received over the last 2 months, it had been a lot poor guy, and presented it to him along with an outline ofthis studen't progress on the courses he had taken. We had also wanted to show him how we had been careful that he hadn't gone by misunderstoods, etc.

    We waited and waited and about 0300 hrs a messenger came down with a Despatch written by LRH. My memory does not recall any folders being returned. The despatch was entitled Very Confidential underlined. "He went onto say that if you or Franks ever reveal any of this information that I am about to reveal, the consequences will be severe for SCN."
    He then wrote" a person does not blow due Overts or Witholds. He blows only due to ARC BKs".
    "However, If any of this information ever became public,I would lose all control of the orgs and eventually Scientology as a whole".signed "LRH"
    Both Mayo and me looked at one another completely incredulously. I cannot speak for Dave but I was completely flabbergasted as I realized at that point of digestion that he is talking about something that 75-80% of the tech is premised upon. Furthermore, the OEC/FEBC was currently anchored by the latest" developpment" at the time -being the L's, L-10,11, & 12.which for tose who don't know is about OW's. I don't believe Mayo or I talked about this again until we were out where I saw him at his auditing facility in Montecito, California in 1983. I believed we were a bit shell shocked about this.
    As for me, I began to see more and more that scientology was merely a big prison camp. I stayed in for another 7 plus years but I was always mindful of this and always had in mind changing this "tech". I believe it is the key to what we have all seen and experienced as brainwashing.

    That is all. I hope someone who want to use this will do so as there is no doubt that there is good in the tech it is just a matter of where is it.
    How do you sort out the good and the bad and at the same time keep the good without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
    I regret that I could not fix this during my tenure.

    Best, wogman Bill Franks
    Very interesting and, when you think about it, it's obvious.

    I guess we were all ARC broken when we left the cult, but being that we were still fresh from the indoctrination, we looked for our O/W's - I know I did. I thought OK, I'd stuffed up here and there but no rabid SP stuff.

    Later, after a few years away from the crap, I realised that I had a lot of disagreements with the Tech and the organisation. Was that a break in reality? It sure was.


    Why Hubbard would point this out and potentially weaken his position of power though, is not so obvious.

    Thanks for your post.

    LTG
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    My Essay from 1995: http://www.xenu.net/archive/disk/NOTs/djcarter.htm

    Hubbard even fooled himself: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...691#post618691

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