Bill Frank's story about blackmail

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Would it be fair to say that "Knowledge Reports" contribute to the general atmosphere of blackmail and persuasion within Scientology? Anyone have a good policy reference in regard to Knowledge Reports?

[HelluvaHoax!]

Fair enough. But your "explanation" was neither even vaguely accurate (in terms of what Hubbard said) or clearly some piece of Hoax humour where accuracy would be irrelevant. I could imagine many people accepting what you said at face value.

I don't like it when a poster who is respected misrepresents facts which could well be taken as accurate by many. Which is why I get nitpicky sometimes, even when the errors aren't intentional, as they usually aren't (I assume). If some trash-talking idiot misrepresents facts I often ignore it as I don't feel like correcting every single error I see on ESMB. But *you*, Hoaxie, I hold to a higher standard.

And I hope rightfully so.

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If perchance, you really believe that the true basis of O/Ws is transgression against an ideal state, that is a different subject. For myself, I find Hubbard's stated basis more accurate in terms of how to take charge off O/Ws.

Paul

Thanks Paul, you are 100% correct. What I wrote is neither:

* What Hubbard said in his theory of O/W's

* A parody, send-up or hoaxilicious comedic treatment.

Understandably, one reading my take on O/W's would expect it to be one of those two. And it could seem troubling or puzzling that it is neither.

What I wrote was yet a 3rd way of viewing Scientology.

At first, it might seem like an eccentric way of thinking to some, but over much time I have found it to be quite invigorating in its ability to simplify and decipher the crazily mixed signals that Scientology sends out about itself. The best way I can describe it is "wait and see what grows". For example:

Let's say that one day a fledgling Scientologist hears about Ron Hubbard's tech which is capable of growing enormously large and beautiful prizewinning tomatoes.

So, the excited person reads everything they can get their hands on that Hubbard said about growing tomatoes, auditing them, watering them "and so forth".

And, once fully hatted and filled with great expectations, they go out and buy a seed packet.

Up to this point everything is making perfectly good sense.

Hubbard talks about the right amounts of sunlight and water and proper use of fertilizer and a trellis is nicely detailed.

The joyful moment arrives that it is time to open the packet and take out the tomato seeds so they can be planted.

From that moment forward, everything is done by the book.

And with great patience, skillful gardening & time...eventually the plants begin to break above the soil.

And with such good care, one day a lovely green plant blossoms forth--but quite surprisingly it is not tomatoes! However, it is quite lovely pink flowers.

After the initial shock wears off the person goes back and re-reads the seed packet and sure enough it said "tomato" right below the lovely picture of a juicy red tomato.

The person makes the best of it, fashioning a beautiful bouquet of flowers to set atop the dining room table. They even make good use the green leafy parts of the plant to throw in the dinner salad.

And after a lovely dinner with friends everyone is dead.

Because they just ate Oleander, one of the most poisonous plants in the world.

So, how does this all relate to Hubbard's O/W tech?

I am not reading what is on the seed packet or looking at the brightly-colored tomato pictures. I am not concerned with what Hubbard says about tomatoes.

I just watch the seed that is planted grow.

Whatever springs forth out of the ground is what was in the dna of that seed.

What grew is what was planted.

O/W tech does not grow free beings or OTs.

It grows something else.

I am simply observing what grew from the seeds that Hubbard planted.

[Panda Termint]

Wow! I like this HH, it's worth hitting this mode every now and then!

[I told you I was trouble]

I couldn't stop reading that HH, beautifully put ... what grew is what was planted.

How true.

I like this 3rd way of viewing things!

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Extract from Affadavit of one Andre Tabayoyon from 13 - 19 August 1994 in regard to Auditors obtaining PC "hot bottons" for use by Regs in the extraction of money:

. . . <snip> . . . 9. Various forms of coercive persuasion are used in all areas of Scientology. A working term in Scientology is registration ("reg") cycle. During a reg cycle, parishioners are coercively persuaded to do something which a senior Scientologist believes will be good for Scientology. In my 21 years of membership in Scientology, I personally observed how auditors and others identify a person's "hot button." I saw how auditors used many individual's hot buttons in the various types of interviews (ethics, chaplin, registration, counseling, etc.) to coerce the parishioner into donating money, doing the next service, joining the Sea Org, going to the RPF and agreeing to forego spending time with their children and families in order to devote greater time and effort to the good of Scientology . . . <snip> . . .

[HelluvaHoax!]

I couldn't stop reading that HH, beautifully put ... what grew is what was planted.

How true.

I like this 3rd way of viewing things!

Thanks Panda & Trouble!

Whatever Scientologists or Indie Scientologists say about their tomato tech (O/Ws), it doesn't change the fact that....

PINK FLOWERS = PINK LEGS STICKING OUT

No OT phenomena except Oleander Tech.

:D

[IMMORTAL]

On this:


L. Ron Hubbard
EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE

ED 149 INT 2 December 1966

Applies to
HCO Exec Secs
Intelligence Appointees
Guardian
Asst Guardians C O N F I D E N T I A L

BRANCH 5 PROJECT
PROJECT SQUIRREL

1. The Guardian's Intelligence Officer for the Western
U.S. should make further appointments to execute "Project
Squirrel".

2. The project consists of the following:

(a) Listing all SPs engaged in Squirrel actions
or anti-Scientology actions.

(b) Get each one investigated (proper evidences and
witnesses, not rumour).

(c) File a complete file on the person with evidences,
affidavits, etc.

(d) Take appropriate actions to bring any crimes to
police attention.

(e) Bring any suit necessary to cause their activities
to cease.

3. It will be found uniformly (despite first view there is no evidence of it) that anti-Scientologists have in their background this life crimes for which they could be arrested.

4. When one finds such a crime one must get documents or witnesses and evidences sufficient for prosecution.

5. The evidences should be turned over to the police.

6. When the person is arrested, one then sues the person for anti-Scientology libels and slanders.

7. If we do the above as our pattern, we will successfully bring the following facts into public consciousness:

(a) People who attack Scientology are criminals.

(b) That if one attacks Scientology he gets investigated for crimes.

(c) If one does not attack Scientology, despite not being with it, one is safe.

L. RON HUBBARD
Founder

Yea, so see. Here's the thing. Whenever I said, "Oh, someone took my wallet".... "I was struck by a car"...."My dog died", it was ALWAYS a motivator on one dynamic or another and I had to look for my overts/crimes.

Seems to me that the "church" is not applying this LRH tech to itself. Instead of cry-babying about people attacking them, they should be applying LRH's "overt/motivator sequence tech" and looking for their own crimes. Maybe they would find some and be a better "church". Maybe they wouldn't have "pulled this all in" on themselves. OMG. That gagged me. But I am glad to see them going down.

And oh, Rex Fowler? I looked at his completions online and it looks to me like he did an OT8 in 1989, then went back to do Solo Nots Certainty Course Part 1 in 1998. Here's the link:

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com...ex-fowler.html

I didn't see where he completed Part 2 and was sent home auditing. It looked to me like he had to complete Part 1 yet again. I did see where he did his academy levels in 2004. Maybe I didn't find the correct information on this, but if I understood this information correctly, it seems to me that he was not auditing on the level at time of his murder and suicide attempt.

[RogerB]

IMMORTAL,



It is amazing, when you look at it, that they cannot actually apply their own tech to themselves . . . not that it's infallible "tech" mind you, but if they believe it and they assert it's perfect truth, you'd think they and Hubbard before them would apply it to themselves!

But no, history is demonstrating Hubbard was not that honest.

Even any sane "wog" operation looks to see where they are screwing up if they are being "attacked" by their customers or community . . . give or take a bit of deceitful legal advice from their attorneys .

R

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Thanks Panda & Trouble!

Whatever Scientologists or Indie Scientologists say about their tomato tech (O/Ws), it doesn't change the fact that....

PINK FLOWERS = PINK LEGS STICKING OUT

No OT phenomena except Oleander Tech.

:D

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