Bill Frank's story about blackmail

[Atalantan]

Don't mind Atalantan, he was only recently awakened after a thirty year sleep, similar to this fellow:



Of course, the subject in the video, Miles Monroe, was asleep for hundreds of years, and appears to have woken up in what resembles a Scientology planet.

This is true. I'm not sure how you meant it, but I have awakened from about a 20-year sleep away from scientology, having given up on it at least that long ago, although I was already dozing off earlier.

Now I am revisiting it in light of all the new developments that are happening and the wealth of information available.

[Jump]

ditto

me2 pls

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

I see those who are totally negative as being as much off-center as those true believers who are still clinging to the CoS.

Yeah I hear you those Jews who constantly bring up Hitler in a negative light on Holocaust survivor boards are such a drag ... a real turn off. They should look for all the good Hitler created and focus on that to keep the whiny little Nazi apologists from getting upset, we certainly wouldn't want to turn them off, now would we?

[Sindy]

Mmmmm, I think the closer one gets to Flag, the closer one is to source and the people there are probably more understanding of what scientology is really all about than you think they are (it's just a business flogging services in the guise of a religion and not to be taken too seriously). They are mainly salespeople and the only thing that continues to surprise me is why they tolerate the conditions they work under when they could be in the real world doing the same job with way less stress and earning a good income!

I truly do not understand why you say that a person that was clearly a nutter with the morals of a sewer rat could have also created a good and decent thing in the tek ... have you read any of Veda's posts and references? Do you know of how Tubs treated those that he cared for (ie his own family)? Why would such a person be taken seriously as a saviour of planets?

Tubs was very much alive in the 70's when you say you saw the (so called) decline starting, so why are you letting him off the hook?

Do you think that Tubs (or his disciples) would have accepted any other response to his OT3 materials for instance, other than pure dittohead? I would like to have seen the result of someone in an OT3 course-room (in the 70's or earlier) having just been introduced to Xenu and who had the audacity to stand up and say "sorry, I am a free thinker and this really isn't quite working for me because I don't believe it " ... we both know that he would have been handled or booted whichever came first (and that applies to any of the courses and at any time since the inception of scientology).

The term dittoheads is not mine but it certainly describes anyone that has bought into the lies of scientology pre or post Tubs, it is and always was a con job and any gain was incidental and could probably be achieved in many other ways and with little or no money changing hands.

IMO.

Exactly. Your opinion is spot on. IMO

[Lurker5]

Yeah I hear you those Jews who constantly bring up Hitler in a negative light on Holocaust survivor boards are such a drag ... a real turn off. They should look for all the good Hitler created and focus on that to keep the whiny little Nazi apologists from getting upset, we certainly wouldn't want to turn them off, now would we?

Yeah, and I hear Hitler loved his dog, too.

[I told you I was trouble]

Posted by Atalantan

My emphasis

That's OK with me; I am 100% willing to disagree with you 100% about this stuff. Is that wishy-washy? (The world won't crash).

No it isn't wishy washy ... just completely pointless (I just read that you never joined and never got much in the way of services).

However I will point out that I am aware that not all of the Ex scientologists on this board condemn and disdain all of the tech and philosophy Hubbard produced, as you and some others do.

Ain't life a bitch when you can't get 100% agreement?

You have got to be joking!

It's fantastic.

After decades of the enforced agreement seeking that scientology dictates (ARC and all that nonsense) it is very liberating to think for oneself and to agree or disagree with others and not give a toss about reaching agreement. I am not trying to sell anything to anyone so agreement is not a necessary step in a contrived process, as it is in the cult.

By off-center I mean that I see some ex-scientologists behaving similarly to ex-wives, when speaking of their ex-husbands.....

Love/hate. It's the two sides of the church of scientology coin, and interestingly enough, the negative feelings are often most strongly expressed by those who had the strongest positive feelings and gave the strongest commitment,initially.

People like me who never joined and never got much in the way of services, often see the materials differently, without the overwhelming emotion and sense of betrayal. This is not a make-wrong of you. You experienced what you experienced.

That sounds very much like that old scientology chestnut "the bigger the ARC in the first place, the bigger the ARCX" and it isn't true for me in this instance.

Obviously those that were on staff and did do services saw a totally different side of the cult than someone who wasn't and did little.

[Atalantan]

Yeah I hear you those Jews who constantly bring up Hitler in a negative light on Holocaust survivor boards are such a drag ... a real turn off. They should look for all the good Hitler created and focus on that to keep the whiny little Nazi apologists from getting upset, we certainly wouldn't want to turn them off, now would we?

You are comparing yourself to Holocaust survivors?

[Atalantan]

Originally Posted by I told you I was trouble View Post
Mmmmm, I think the closer one gets to Flag, the closer one is to source and the people there are probably more understanding of what scientology is really all about than you think they are (it's just a business flogging services in the guise of a religion and not to be taken too seriously). They are mainly salespeople and the only thing that continues to surprise me is why they tolerate the conditions they work under when they could be in the real world doing the same job with way less stress and earning a good income!

I truly do not understand why you say that a person that was clearly a nutter with the morals of a sewer rat could have also created a good and decent thing in the tek ... have you read any of Veda's posts and references? Do you know of how Tubs treated those that he cared for (ie his own family)? Why would such a person be taken seriously as a saviour of planets?

Tubs was very much alive in the 70's when you say you saw the (so called) decline starting, so why are you letting him off the hook?

Do you think that Tubs (or his disciples) would have accepted any other response to his OT3 materials for instance, other than pure dittohead? I would like to have seen the result of someone in an OT3 course-room (in the 70's or earlier) having just been introduced to Xenu and who had the audacity to stand up and say "sorry, I am a free thinker and this really isn't quite working for me because I don't believe it " ... we both know that he would have been handled or booted whichever came first (and that applies to any of the courses and at any time since the inception of scientology).

The term dittoheads is not mine but it certainly describes anyone that has bought into the lies of scientology pre or post Tubs, it is and always was a con job and any gain was incidental and could probably be achieved in many other ways and with little or no money changing hands.

IMO.

Exactly. Your opinion is spot on. IMO

Since we're on the subject, what did you think of OTIII?

I haven't done OTIII and don't expect to, but I think all the focus on OTIII is a red herring, a kind of cherry-picking.

How come no-one mentions LIfe Repair, ARC Straightwire, or the Grades, for example.

Some people talk about OTIII as though that's all there is to the Grade Chart.

Talk is cheap, that's why I post here. Opinions are a dime a dozen, mine included. Each person is entitled to hers/his.

Often I see posts like "and anything you think you got from scientology can be found elsewhere...." but no specifics. OK. Where can I get the results of ARC Straightwire elsewhere? How long will it take me, and how much will it cost me, "elsewhere"?

[I told you I was trouble]

Since we're on the subject, what did you think of OTIII?

I haven't done OTIII and don't expect to, but I think all the focus on OTIII is a red herring, a kind of cherry-picking.

How come no-one mentions LIfe Repair, ARC Straightwire, or the Grades, for example.

Some people talk about OTIII as though that's all there is to the Grade Chart.

Talk is cheap, that's why I post here. Opinions are a dime a dozen, mine included. Each person is entitled to hers/his.

Often I see posts like "and anything you think you got from scientology can be found elsewhere...." but no specifics. OK. Where can I get the results of ARC Straightwire elsewhere? How long will it take me, and how much will it cost me, "elsewhere"?

At first I thought it was a joke (literally) but quickly realised it wasn't, it was merely a nutters drug fuelled rantings labelled OT3.

I loved life repair but could have achieved the same result from a chat with someone that cared.

Re the other stuff you have demanded answers to ... do your own research., I neither know nor care.

[HelluvaHoax!]

Often I see posts like "and anything you think you got from scientology can be found elsewhere...." but no specifics. OK. Where can I get the results of ARC Straightwire elsewhere? How long will it take me, and how much will it cost me, "elsewhere"?

SPECIFICS:

WHAT U GET FROM SCN: Someone to talk to.
WHERE ELSE U CAN GET IT: Places that have people or telephones.

WHAT U GET FROM SCN: Massive debt and possibly bankruptcy.
WHERE ELSE U CAN GET IT: Shopping malls.

WHAT U GET FROM SCN: Terrorizing warnings about your future.
WHERE ELSE U CAN GET IT: Other terrorist groups (without paying half a million!)

WHAT U GET FROM SCN: An electronic toy that let's you hunt for aliens.
WHERE ELSE U CAN GET IT: Videogame arcades.

WHAT U GET FROM SCN: The feeling of being a supernatural hero.
WHERE ELSE U CAN GET IT: Acting classes or drugs.