Keith Relkin Gay Scientologist

[AnonGloss]

AnonGloss! Thanks for posting all that.

Thank you! And you're welcome!

Are you still a member of the church?

No, I've been independent for a year+ ... and I'm getting auditing in the indie field and lurk alot on Marty's blog and elsewhere.

Rex Fowler would not be the first scientologist to suppress sexual desires for 'the greater good' in scienospeak. I cannot believe he was treated as if he were bi-sexual just for joining a group to support it's cause.

What was tragic was that when he was trying to be true to himself (supposedly what Scientology is all about) and finally willing to publicly speak about his sexuality, he was suppressed and punished for doing so. Totally warped.

It's terrible how both Keith and Rex were treated. Those sec checks can really mess a person up. I am sure there were others who were 'outed' as gay from the group who got the 3rd degree from the church and my condolences to all of them for suffering through all that.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it varied from church to church, and year to year -- kind of depended who was in charge of that particular church. The treatment of gays in Scientology is very inconsistent. The CoS where I did courses just prior to 2009, for example, never cared that I was gay or that I had a partner. But in 1998 -- when there was a different ED (and the Michael Pattinson lawsuit was in full swing) they were horrified. In the mid-90s, another church I did courses couldn't have cared less that I was gay. But in the early 90s, at a different Org where I lived, I was given false data stripping, the stink-eye, etc. And then finally I was allowed to just get on with my courses without interruption.

I don't think the CoS can figure out what do with homosexuality and homosexuals. The "2D Rules" policy makes it pretty clear that they should just leave it (and anything else sexual) alone, but for whatever reason some people just can't get past it.

In general though, if one just sticks to his guns about being gay (or finds a more liberal org), the CoS will let you get all the way to Clear without trying to change you.

Getting onto the OT levels ... now that's a different matter. ASHO and AOLO, I've heard, can be ok with it lately ... if you're in a monogamous relationship. But again, that probably depends on who the Snr C/S is at that point.

At Flag, I've heard it's basically impossible to get onlines there while being in a gay relationship, or being a practicing homosexual. I guess you can "be gay, but not practicing" and get onto the OT levels. But anything less than that makes one ineligible. Or that's what I hear.

If you're on OT VII, as Rex was, even allowing oneself to be "out" as bi (even if not practicing) is apparently verboten. It's just so stupid.

I'd like to add that I'm sure you are correct about Keith's health being effected by the sec checks. Additionally, though, Keith attributes the problems to other medical issues (not AIDS), as you can see and hear at the links below.

Thanks for that link. I hadn't seen it. I'm glad Keith is getting better. He was in pretty bad shape there right after the nazi sec-checking. The funny thing is, I remember him jokingly describing OSA as the "the gestapo" or something at the time of his sec-checking. I'm just amazed he's putting up with it all.

Do you know if Greg Churilov still an active scientologist?

You know, I don't ... and I'd love to find out. He was the co-founder of Clear Rainbow, and was a really sane voice in the group. I noticed that he pretty much stopped being an "online pro-Scientology activist" around 2007 or so. Keith had been given some negative spin on Greg (around the time of his sec-checking) probably by OSA, and that drove a wedge in between them. But I hadn't heard anything more.

I think I'm going to reach out to Greg and see what he's up to.

- AnonGloss

[NCSP]

Whoa! Whatever your circumstances, if you're a sexually active adult, refusing an HIV test is not a smart idea. Looks like Jenna Elfman's not the only one who believes that "AIDS is a state of mind."

[Smurf]

Greg & Jennifer live in Simi Valley now. He's got several Meet Up sites:

http://www.meetup.com/SoCalDancenFun...Id=8377775&op=



http://www.meetup.com/la-vegan/members/8377775/

http://www.foodieconnection.com/memb...mberId=8377775

The last contact info I have for him is when he lived in the San Diego area.

Nothing on his Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/gregchurilov

His mom's page: http://www.facebook.com/zchurilov

[AnonGloss]

Whoa! Whatever your circumstances, if you're a sexually active adult, refusing an HIV test is not a smart idea. Looks like Jenna Elfman's not the only one who believes that "AIDS is a state of mind."

Yeah, Keith had some pretty weird ideas about HIV and AIDS ... I wouldn't be surprised if Jenna's ideas trace back to Keith. He was big on "getting the word out" that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, and that AIDS isn't really a disease in and of itself. He was (is) a big supporter of Christine Maggiori (sp?) and that whole crowd.

I don't think he converted too many to his way of thinking on ClearRainbow, but he convinced one or two.

[Smurf]

Yeah, Keith had some pretty weird ideas about HIV and AIDS ... I wouldn't be surprised if Jenna's ideas trace back to Keith. He was big on "getting the word out" that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, and that AIDS isn't really a disease in and of itself. He was (is) a big supporter of Christine Maggiori (sp?) and that whole crowd.

I don't think he converted too many to his way of thinking on ClearRainbow, but he convinced one or two.

I don't fault Keith one bit for challenging the accepted ideas of HIV & AIDS. When I was diagnosed with HIV in 1996, there was a huge mistrust in what doctors were putting out on the causes & cures of HIV, especially among those with the virus that were being prescribed megadoses of HIV meds which were toxic and had very nasty side effects.

Unfortunately for Christine Maggiori , she took it to an extreme by denying her AIDS-afflicted child her meds, and the child died a horrific, painful death. Some camps tried to bring criminal charges against her, but they didn't stick.

I see Keith occasionally in Silverlakle clubs and he still thin, but not gaunt & pasty-looking like I saw him in 2009. He seems to be alot more healthier now.

[NCSP]

Ugh. I can see where the skepticism came from, with the treatment sometimes being worse than the disease (remember AZT?) and no one really knowing what was what. But to not even get a diagnosis?? That's kind of nuts, particularly if you remain sexually active.

Ands it turns out that doctors working from the HIV model now have treatments that do great things for HIV/AIDS patients. This isn't really on-topic, but it's one of my favorite videos on the subject; I dare you to watch it without crying.

[The_Fixer]

Ugh. I can see where the skepticism came from, with the treatment sometimes being worse than the disease (remember AZT?) and no one really knowing what was what. But to not even get a diagnosis?? That's kind of nuts, particularly if you remain sexually active.

Ands it turns out that doctors working from the HIV model now have treatments that do great things for HIV/AIDS patients. This isn't really on-topic, but it's one of my favorite videos on the subject; I dare you to watch it without crying.

That was nice, especially to see hope that once never existed. Pity it was too late for Freddy Mercury (among countless others).

Thanks for that.

[NCSP]

That was nice, especially to see hope that once never existed.

Thanks for that.

I'm glad you watched it! I probably should have been clear that you'll cry in a good way!

[AnonyMary]

I don't fault Keith one bit for challenging the accepted ideas of HIV & AIDS. When I was diagnosed with HIV in 1996, there was a huge mistrust in what doctors were putting out on the causes & cures of HIV, especially among those with the virus that were being prescribed megadoses of HIV meds which were toxic and had very nasty side effects.

Unfortunately for Christine Maggiori , she took it to an extreme by denying her AIDS-afflicted child her meds, and the child died a horrific, painful death. Some camps tried to bring criminal charges against her, but they didn't stick.

I see Keith occasionally in Silverlakle clubs and he still thin, but not gaunt & pasty-looking like I saw him in 2009. He seems to be alot more healthier now.

She never had the kid tested for HIV and the child showed no symptoms before her short acute illness leading to death to have even suspected meds for HIV were warranted. Yes, she refused prenatal and infant preventative treatment. That is the shame of it all. But the cause of death was listed as unknown after autopsy and it was only after the corner went on the internet to see that the mother was an HIV+ activist did her order and do a review autopsy of tissues from her brain tissue, resulting in the findings as described below.

The child does not appear to have horrifically suffered, until the day of her illness and death, which alone is so very sad. I don't condone what the mother did. She played russian roulette with her family.

From Wiki:
"Christine Maggiore chose not to take antiretroviral drugs or other measures which reduce the risk of mother-to-child transmission of HIV during her pregnancies.[3][9] Maggiore also breast-fed her children, despite evidence that breast-feeding can also transmit HIV from mother to child. Her youngest daughter, Eliza Jane, was never tested for HIV, nor did she or her older brother Charlie receive any of the recommended childhood vaccines. Maggiore later reported Charlie to have tested HIV-negative three times, and asserted that both were in good health.[4]"

In April 2005, Eliza Jane became ill with a runny nose. She was seen by two physicians, one of whom reportedly knew of Maggiore's HIV status. Eliza Jane was not tested for HIV, and was diagnosed with pneumonia.[4][10] When Eliza Jane failed to improve, Maggiore took her to see Philip Incao, a holistic practitioner and board member of Maggiore's AIDS-denialist organization Alive & Well AIDS Alternatives, who claimed Eliza Jane appeared to be only mildly ill,[2] and prescribed her amoxicillin for a presumed ear infection. On May 16, 2005, Eliza Jane collapsed and stopped breathing.[4] She was rushed to Valley Presbyterian Hospital in Van Nuys, California, where, after failed attempts to revive her, she was pronounced dead.[10]

An autopsy revealed that Eliza Jane was markedly underweight and underheight, consistent with a chronic illness, exhibited a pronounced atrophy of her thymus and other lymphatic organs, and that her lungs were infected with Pneumocystis jirovecii, a common opportunistic pathogen in people with AIDS and the leading cause of pediatric AIDS deaths.[11] The post-mortem examination of Eliza Jane's brain showed changes consistent with HIV encephalitis; protein components of HIV itself were identified in Eliza Jane's brain tissue via immunohistochemistry.[10] The coroner concluded unequivocally that Eliza Jane had died of Pneumocystis pneumonia in the setting of advanced AIDS.[2][10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore

Keith is looking well nourished and healthy from his FB pics

[AnonKat]

Yeah, Keith had some pretty weird ideas about HIV and AIDS ... I wouldn't be surprised if Jenna's ideas trace back to Keith. He was big on "getting the word out" that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, and that AIDS isn't really a disease in and of itself. He was (is) a big supporter of Christine Maggiori (sp?) and that whole crowd.

I don't think he converted too many to his way of thinking on ClearRainbow, but he convinced one or two.

Welcome glad you shed your light on matters.