driving me mad!!

[Mystic]

I was going to say something or another in this thread but you folks have covered it all!

We are great!

[Auditor's Toad]

buy a guy fawkes mask and pin it on your front door

"Brevity is the soul of wit " Voltaire

[Voltaire's Child]

Keep in mind that YOU are in control. It's YOUR phone. YOUR mailbox. Don't meet with them unless you damn well feel like it.

Start sending letters back refused. I also know of someone who went to the post office and filled out a statement saying this was obscene and harassing mail, there's some kind of law about that, and the post office served the local mission with a demand to cease and desist.

Hang up on them. Tell them to fuck off.

YOU can do anything you want. You are in the position of power. YOU are in the driver's seat. Not them.

[Markus]

Hi Guys

Some of you may remember me from a another post asking for some advice about leaving the church. I am in need of some advice again!!! Sorry to be a pain!

It is just that they are not leaving me alone(church), coming to my home e mails, text messages, phone ringing, what I was wondering if they is some ex staff who can tell me the best way to handle this.

I was thinking of just lettting them know that I think it is all a load of false untrue rubbish and I have read loads on the internet. Do you think it would help to meet up (that is what they want to do) and just tell them straight. At the moment I think they don't understand why reasons for leaving and think it is to do with being PTS.

Anyone ???? thank you

Just tell them that you will call the police if they continue to contact you.
This is what I had to do.

After I did that they never contacted me again.

love
Markus

[LongTimeGone]

Thanks so much everyone for your replies. To the message sent asking to meet I have replied "no not interested". That was down to you guys so big thanks.

Didn't get a reply for 9 hours then recieved a message saying "ok would you prefer to continue having the upset you have with what or who"? mmmmmm don't think they mean giving me the £££££££ I am in debt for back some how do you!!!!!

Shall I just ignore now as it doesn't seem to matter how many times I try to say I am not interested they don't want to listen. The thing is when I ignore they turn up at the door.

Loved the idea of a video camera I do have one so can use that if they show at the door I don't think they would stick round long when I mention filming for Youtube!!

If you want your money back keep asking for it.

Of course JUST IGNORE any conversation that does not directly deal with your refund.

Do not TRY to say I'm not interested. Just say it.

Do not expect them to accept it, just say it with total conviction.

When they turn up at the door, just say it again.

The number of times over equals certainty - They will eventually get the idea; just consider that they are a bit slow.

If this is becoming an overwhelming concern then I suggest you visit your local police station and explain to them what is happening. I am sure they
will provide a sympathetic ear and will be fully informed when you later feel the need to ring them.

LTG.

[MafiaWog]

Didn't get a reply for 9 hours then recieved a message saying "ok would you prefer to continue having the upset you have with what or who"? mmmmmm don't think they mean giving me the £££££££ I am in debt for back some how do you!!!!!

They're going to keep bugging you, the question again is how hardball do you want to play. The main thing to remember is try NOT TO ENGAGE THEM IN CONVERSATION. They will likely try to converse anyway (like they did above) but don't get into the "I don't HAVE any upsets" or whatever game.

If you're feeling ballsy enough and don't care what they think or say about you, you can also just answer any question they obviously want you to say "No" to with "Yes". i.e. Them: "Do you want to continue having this upset?" You: "Yes". If they start to get into dissecting your agreement and stating opinions about how they see your response and all that crap, then use the magic word/two letters: "OK".

There are only 4 responses you need to know: "Yes", "No","OK","Do not contact me any more, I feel harassed and am reporting this to the police. And I'm dead/<use expletive if you want> serious."
NEVER INVITE THEM OVER.
NEVER AGREE TO MEET WITH THEM.
IF THEY CLAIM THEY NEED DOCUMENTS SIGNED, ASK OTHER EX-SCNS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
IF YOU DO DECIDE TO DEAL WITH THE DOCUMENTS, HAVE THEM MAILED, PREFERABLY TO A LAWYER YOU'VE RETAINED, BUT IF NOT, HAVE THEM MAILED AND SIGN THEM WITH A NOTARY PUBLIC PRESENT, SEND THEM BACK WITH EVERY TYPE OF TRACKING AND DELIVERY CONFIRMATION POSSIBLE.

And like I mentioned before, keep a diary of every time they contact you. And let THEM know you're doing this.

Shall I just ignore now as it doesn't seem to matter how many times I try to say I am not interested they don't want to listen. The thing is when I ignore they turn up at the door.

Get a restraining order against them if you feel the need to/feel able to. From what I've heard from many ex-Scns (I'm not one myself, remember), the more of a pain in the ass you make it for them, the less likely they will continue. Granted, they may only tone it down a LITTLE at first (whereas most people would get the hint) but remember the law is on your side. You don't owe them a minute of your precious time or energy. You're done with them, fuck 'em.

Loved the idea of a video camera I do have one so can use that if they show at the door I don't think they would stick round long when I mention filming for Youtube!!

Excellent. Keep the thing charged, easily reachable by the door or wherever you are, and have it turned on and running BEFORE you answer the door (if you answer - you could just record their attempts and your telling them to f off.). And yes, let them know you're documenting.


I don't usually get this vocal or verbose on something, but I detest the way these fuckers just keep pushing, assuming your "wog-influenced" sense of decency and politeness will allow them to continue without eliciting any hostile sort of reaction.

[programmer_guy]

Hi Guys

Some of you may remember me from a another post asking for some advice about leaving the church. I am in need of some advice again!!! Sorry to be a pain!

It is just that they are not leaving me alone(church), coming to my home e mails, text messages, phone ringing, what I was wondering if they is some ex staff who can tell me the best way to handle this.

I was thinking of just lettting them know that I think it is all a load of false untrue rubbish and I have read loads on the internet. Do you think it would help to meet up (that is what they want to do) and just tell them straight. At the moment I think they don't understand why reasons for leaving and think it is to do with being PTS.

Anyone ???? thank you

The 2nd to last phone call that I got went like this:

Scientologist: Is ____ there?

ME: Who is calling, please?

Scientologist: I am calling from the Church of Scientology.

ME: What is your name? Who are you?

Scientologist: I am ____ .

ME: What does it take for you people to stop calling me?

Scientologist: Why are you upset?

ME: Because I have told you people to stop calling me. What does it take to get you people to stop calling me?!

Scientologist: If you could tell me why you are upset....?

ME: Do NOT respond to my question with another question. Answer my question: what will it take to get you to stop calling me!

Scientologist: Okay. I will make a note here that you are not to be called again.

-----------------------------------------

The LAST time that they called me:

Scientologist: Is ___ there?

ME: Who is calling, please? Who are you?

Scientologist: Oops. I am sorry. I just now read here that we are not supposed to call you.

ME: Thank you. <hang up phone>

[Kookaburra]

Any of the above handlings would work, but I like this one the best.

The best thing you can do is ask for a Refund/Repayment. The moment you do that, they leave you alone like crazy. I haven't had a call in a very long time. I even managed to get all the mails and E-Mails to stop.

On any other communications, if I do receive anything from anyone, I handle it with total Affinity, and make an effort to get that person out of Scientology. If they want to open a communication to me, they are welcome. I will try and be real for that person, and talk about what is real for them. Sow the seed of doubt. They already know that things are not the way they should be, I just strengthen that.

You just have to do that a few times, and the Morg will realise that you are bad news, and people will be briefed not to talk to you. You will probably get a bit of ethics or OSA crap on your lines. But there is nothing like a good SP Declare to keep them off your backs for good.

Whenever I get a chance to talk to a Scientologist, I do everything in my power to persuade that person to leave Scientology. I fill them in on all the recent developments I've read about on the internet, I tell them how much money DM is spending on outrageous personal luxuries, I tell them about the astronomical cancer rates on Solo Nots PCs, I tell them about the suicide rates among OTs, I tell them about disconnected families, I tell them about the co-erced abortions, I tell them about the out tech, I question them as to what they are still doing lending their support to such a group. And I really, really try to get an answer.

Unfortunately, the only junk mail I've gotton from them in the last 20 years is a Cease and Desist huff and puff piece, and not even my OSA handler is allowed to talk to me any more. But I don't let that stop me. I talk to them all at events over a portable PA system. They really hate that. They not only do not send me emails inviting me to events, they don't send them to any of my friends, either! I feel so rejected!

[Outethicsofficer]

We went on National Television that pretty well nailed it

James

[xyz1000]

Hi everyone thanks again for the infomation. I am doing well have blocked a couple of their numbers on my moblie so thats been good. They have started trying to use my son's phone though so not very happy about that. He is cool though told me they are crafty and he wont answer.


I have another question about refunds if anyone can help? I have read the refund policy and it says that you can get a refund if you ask within 90 days if you are are not happy with the service. Does anyone know abit more about what this means? eg Is it the last service you had which was within 90 days or longer term services eg a few years going back?

I am going to request my funds on account back this week so this will hopefully stop the calls ect but just wanted to make sure I can't get any services refunded as I am within the 90 days.

Thank you!!