Marty Rathbun's OSA Investigations Hat Pack

[Alanzo]

I said, 'Sure, as long as you don't start asking me, "What are your crimes?".'
That's straightforward enough, isn't it?

Why do you keep asking me to go away?

Because I've never asked you "What are your Crimes?" or that I want to gang bang sec check people or any of the other Marty and Mike OSA Scientology attributes you keep trying to paint me with.

Do you see that you are fucking obsessed with the wrong target?

Don't answer that.

Just go away.

[Panda Termint]

You stand for Free Speech, remember?

I challenge you to point out any instance where I've accused you of such gangbang sec checking. I said that your idea for CrowdSourced Sec Checking sounded similar to Gang Bang Sec Checking to me, particularly before you changed the parameters of it to "asking the Q is what's important". In your OP you labelled it Sec Checking and were insisting that we persisted until we got the Q answered. I said that it sounded too scientological to me. It still does.

I haven't accused you of anything other than dissembling and making false accusations as if they're true, all of which are borne out in fact.

If you didn't want me to make this about you, you shouldn't keep making it about me.

What do you actually have to say about Frank Oliver's write-up on OSA Intel Ops?

[degraded being]

Why hasn't COS sued Marty and the Indies for using copyrighted scientology tech? I find it suspicious. Scientology has sued for much less, including people trying to sell their own e-meters on e-bay or using an image in a cartoon.



Marty seems to have free reign to use all the cult copy rights. I am not holding my breath, but I do think we will see Marty ascend to the throne when DM "retires" to Bulgravia. I don't think Marty or DM have one ounce of belief in scientology. I think they both see it as the scam it is and their only interest is in cashing in.

It's a dance. On a cliff edge. You can take steps to the front, the back, with a few twirls and twists. But you have to keep your eye on your partner. You can insult him. You can spit in your partners face. You have to play your part because if you cause your partner to trip, you'll go over the cliff with him.

[Outethicsofficer]

My point, Panda, is that given the difficulty we all have of dropping our cult indoctrination, it is not simply wishful thinking on my part that Marty and Mike are applying the Scientology technology they applied for decades as the heads of OSA - especially since they still believe they are Scientologists.

I might be wrong.

But it is much more likely that I am right than you seem willing to admit, for some reason.

Alanzo,
I have spent a little time over on Marty's Place, my gut instinct tells me the moment I openly, covertly or otherwise confront them or theirs in anyway with any of my questions I'd be shut down faster than I can blink. I operate well when I go on my intuition and instincts, always have. My instinct tells me they will do what ever it takes to forward LRH, his purposes through and by Scientology and any other means they feel necessary to carry it off, my instinct tells me you're right in relation to them.

They will, I am sure, act on their past training in their efforts to secure what they will all in the name of LRH and Scientology. The peeps posting over there 'know well' not to question M&M and they won't and if they do they will find 'access denied' of that I am certain. They have no intention of dropping their 'cult' indoc.

I've concluded the reason they don't come out and say fully what they know and what they have done is because they don't see they've done anything wrong. They really do believe they are the last bastion of hope this planet and all it's peeps have got for they are now the real guardians of Scientology even if they don't have all the materials at their disposal, that's a detail they will work at resolving sooner or later. So bearing that in mind the last thing they will do is expose themselves to being arrested and possibly jailed for things they have done...why who else will carry the burden? They won't leave that responsibility in the hands of others, look at from where they have fallen. They still wear their hats. OMG

They are not even trying to drop their indoc, whereas you, Panda, I and many many others here are.



This is of course my opinion and I think it's important


James

[Gottabrain]

I've concluded the reason they (M&M) don't come out and say fully what they know and what they have done is because they don't see they've done anything wrong. They really do believe they are the last bastion of hope this planet and all it's peeps have got for they are now the real guardians of Scientology even if they don't haave all the materials at their disposal, that's a detail they will work at resolving sooner or later. So bearing that in mind the last thing they will do is expose themselves to being arrested and possibly jailed for things they have done...why who else will carry the burden? They won't leave that responsibility in the hands of others, look at from where they have fallen. They still where their hats. OMG

James

I think you're right, James. Great post.

[Alanzo]

Alanzo,
I have spent a little time over on Marty's Place, my gut instinct tells me the moment I openly, covertly or otherwise confront them or theirs in anyway with any of my questions I'd be shut down faster than I can blink. I operate well when I go on my intuition and instincts, always have. My instinct tells me they will do what ever it takes to forward LRH, his purposes through and by Scientology and any other means they feel necessary to carry it off, my instinct tells me you're right in relation to them.

They will, I am sure, act on their past training in their efforts to secure what they will all in the name of LRH and Scientology. The peeps posting over there 'know well' not to question M&M and they won't and if they do they will find 'access denied' of that I am certain. They have no intention of dropping their 'cult' indoc.

I've concluded the reason they don't come out and say fully what they know and what they have done is because they don't see they've done anything wrong. They really do believe they are the last bastion of hope this planet and all it's peeps have got for they are now the real guardians of Scientology even if they don't have all the materials at their disposal, that's a detail they will work at resolving sooner or later. So bearing that in mind the last thing they will do is expose themselves to being arrested and possibly jailed for things they have done...why who else will carry the burden? They won't leave that responsibility in the hands of others, look at from where they have fallen. They still wear their hats. OMG

They are not even trying to drop their indoc, whereas you, Panda, I and many many others here are.



This is of course my opinion and I think it's important


James

Once again James, you've made a very good point.

A huge reason any Scientolgist opened up enough and allowed themselves to be indoctrinated in the first place was because they felt that they could trust Scientology, LRH, their auditors and supervisors, etc. They felt they knew what Scientology was, and what Scientology did, and it was good enough to be trusted.

That trust was intentionally built into the Scientologist by hiding the parts of Scientology from them that would make them stand back and say, "Whoa, why would I trust my mind, my life and my self-identity to people who did THAT?" Finding out what happens behind the curtain in Scn gets a person to rethink the group they thought they joined, and they begin questioning what they were told.

Once they begin questioning and inspecting the things they were told, they begin waking up and becoming unindoctrinated.

Marty and Mike DID the things that made Scientology something other than the group most Scientologists thought they were joining. And they are not talking about what they did because they know that if people found out, they would begin questioning, and they certainly would not trust their minds to be opened up and messed around with by Marty and LRH ever again.

Scientology is all about building and keeping trust through the deception of the Scientologist as to what Scientology actually is.

So the purpose of going over to Marty and Mike's place and asking questions is not Marty and Mike - it's everyone else who reads Marty and Mike's blog and who do not know that Scientology is not the group they were told they were joining.

I believe that once I came to know these things about Scientology, that I have a duty to tell others about it so that they have the information necessary to make an informed decision about their own involvement in Scientology. That is a duty I feel to others who were similarly deceived.

This is one of the main purposes of asking Marty and Mike questions over on Marty's Blog, and discussing things like the OSA invest Hat Pack and the network orders and all the other things that Scientology is, but that Marty and Mike are still hiding.

It's the people who were just like you.

They deserve to know.

[afaceinthecrowd]

IMHO of course there is an Indy "OSA", whether or not it's called that or if that was what Marty was saying.

Some excerpts from posts I made re: M&M last year:

Marty is still in the Scn "cult mindset"..."saving the planet", "salvaging this sector of the galaxy”, “doing it for El Ron” and all that good shit…he cannot stop seeing it this way ‘cause if he does he has to look into his own heart and face-up with what he has been doing and done to others "in the name of" for 30+ years.

I knew M&M personally. I can assure you that they are doing what they know how to do, what they spent their lives doing and what they were trained to do, what they learned from El Ron to do. They are not winging it at this point.

They have Confidential Internal Evaluations they are operating with and Programs they are running. They have VFP’s, Stats, Memo to File Compliance Reports, “Multiple Viewpoint Data and Management System”, Data Files, follow the Conditions Formulas, FP, Product Conferences, have an Org Board and are building up Reserves. They see themselves as the Galactic Lone Ranger and Tonto or Unattached Lensemen and they are replicating the “Edifice” and “doing what Ron would do”. They are operating with MO’s (Mission Orders) they have concocted from the Evals and Programs with briefing and debreifing.

These guy are still SO in their minds and they're fullfilling their Contracts and there's a "Virtual" Church, "Virtual" Org's and "Virtual" Sea Org.

I am confident that M&M are “tracking” (keeping stats) on all the various virtual organization objectives they have and actions they are taking (Org Bd’s, Admin Scales, Data Series, PR Series, Target Series, Mission School “tech” and all that jolly good rot). It’s how they “think”; it’s the only way they know how to “think”; it’s the only way they want to know how to “think”. These guys are on a “Mission” to use the “Tech” to "Save” the “Tech”.

Face

[Ladybird]

A huge reason any Scientolgist opened up enough and allowed themselves to be indoctrinated in the first place was because they felt that they could trust Scientology, LRH, their auditors and supervisors, etc. They felt they knew what Scientology was, and what Scientology did, and it was good enough to be trusted.

That trust was intentionally built into the Scientologist by hiding the parts of Scientology from them that would make them stand back and say, "Whoa, why would I trust my mind, my life and my self-identity to people who did THAT?" Finding out what happens behind the curtain in Scn gets a person to rethink the group they thought they joined, and they begin questioning what they were told.

Once they begin questioning and inspecting the things they were told, they begin waking up and becoming unindoctrinated.

Marty and Mike DID the things that made Scientology something other than the group most Scientologists thought they were joining. And they are not talking about what they did because they know that if people found out, they would begin questioning, and they certainly would not trust their minds to be opened up and messed around with by Marty and LRH ever again.

Scientology is all about building and keeping trust through the deception of the Scientologist as to what Scientology actually is.

So the purpose of going over to Marty and Mike's place and asking questions is not Marty and Mike - it's everyone else who reads Marty and Mike's blog and who do not know that Scientology is not the group they were told they were joining.

I believe that once I came to know these things about Scientology, that I have a duty to tell others about it so that they have the information necessary to make an informed decision about their own involvement in Scientology. That is a duty I feel to others who were similarly deceived.

This is one of the main purposes of asking Marty and Mike questions over on Marty's Blog, and discussing things like the OSA invest Hat Pack and the network orders and all the other things that Scientology is, but that Marty and Mike are still hiding.

It's the people who were just like you.

They deserve to know.

^^^^^^

[afaceinthecrowd]

Oh, and another thing. AFAIC, Marty is trying to “run home to momma” and “recreate” the Scn of the ‘60’s to Mid ‘70’s—an Scn that that he, his Int buddies and the CMO all pitched in and did their part to help El Ron and DM destroy.

Face

[Alanzo]

Oh, and another thing. AFAIC, Marty is trying to “run home to momma” and “recreate” the Scn of the ‘60’s to Mid ‘70’s—an Scn that that he, his Int buddies and the CMO all pitched in and did their part to help El Ron and DM to destroy.

Face

Yes.

It's The Impossible Dream and The Whole Track Amends Project, all rolled up in one.