Best sites for a churchie's first visit?

[Free to shine]

There are a lot of great sites out there with vital information, but which would you suggest for a first visit from someone still blinkered so it wasn't too overwhelming for them?

A gradient approach?


(I was talking to someone who didn't even understand about disconnection, or believed that it still happened!)

[alex]

There are a lot of great sites out there with vital information, but which would you suggest for a first visit from someone still blinkered so it wasn't too overwhelming for them?

A gradient approach?


(I was talking to someone who didn't even understand about disconnection, or believed that it still happened!)

Stories.

here.

[Zinjifar]

Stories.

here.

'Here's' a good place, but, might very well be 'too much' for a still 'Operating Churchie', due to the two-way comm and potential enturbulation.

Probably a better *first* site would be 'Through The Door':

http://alley.ethercat.com/door/

Because there is no 'give and take' it's merely presented data, which can be rejected at will and with little necessity to overamp the 'force field'.

But yes, here's a good place once the person can confront. As is Google itself.

Zinj

[Alanzo]

'Here's' a good place, but, might very well be 'too much' for a still 'Operating Churchie', due to the two-way comm and potential enturbulation.

Probably a better *first* site would be 'Through The Door':

http://alley.ethercat.com/door/

Because there is no 'give and take' it's merely presented data, which can be rejected at will and with little necessity to overamp the 'force field'.

But yes, here's a good place once the person can confront. As is Google itself.

Zinj

Good suggestion.

For the reasons stated.

[Free to shine]

'Here's' a good place, but, might very well be 'too much' for a still 'Operating Churchie', due to the two-way comm and potential enturbulation.

Probably a better *first* site would be 'Through The Door':

http://alley.ethercat.com/door/

Because there is no 'give and take' it's merely presented data, which can be rejected at will and with little necessity to overamp the 'force field'.

But yes, here's a good place once the person can confront. As is Google itself.

Zinj

Hmmm...Through the Door was the first place I posted myself, but that was after a lot of reading. And I didn't start reading there until I got past the idea it was only a site full of nattery SP's! I gathered pieces of data I wanted from all over the place and it took a long time, and I was obviously ready to look, having been offline for ages.

I am thinking more of someone who is still totally 'in', yet curious. Maybe I should start a website, just a portal, for a gradient approach. Just links to articles with immediate and relevant impact? Yikes I don't have time right now but it could be an ongoing project if someone wanted to do it. And yes I know there are sites like this, but if I wanted to refer someone today, I would need to go to them all again to check, because I have forgotten where I read what!

The sort of things I think people want to know straight up, simple headings, not necessarily in this order:

1. LRH's true background
2. Disconnection in PT
3. The SO now and in the past
4. The truth about the GO
5. Why prices are so high
6. Why people are declared
7. What happened to the past leaders of Scio?
8. The re-re-revision of tech
9 How does all that impact ME now in Scientology?

I'm sure there are many more possible headings!

The person I was speaking to said the inevitable "nothing you can say to me about Scientology would change my mind" (as if I would try) yet admitted to having "looked at a couple of sites"! I don't know which ones, but obviously they were not ones that presented a more conservative view that allowed them to get deeper into finding whatever made them look in the first place.

[Alanzo]

Hmmm...Through the Door was the first place I posted myself, but that was after a lot of reading. And I didn't start reading there until I got past the idea it was only a site full of nattery SP's! I gathered pieces of data I wanted from all over the place and it took a long time, and I was obviously ready to look, having been offline for ages.

I am thinking more of someone who is still totally 'in', yet curious. Maybe I should start a website, just a portal, for a gradient approach. Just links to articles with immediate and relevant impact? Yikes I don't have time right now but it could be an ongoing project if someone wanted to do it. And yes I know there are sites like this, but if I wanted to refer someone today, I would need to go to them all again to check, because I have forgotten where I read what!

The sort of things I think people want to know straight up, simple headings, not necessarily in this order:

1. LRH's true background
2. Disconnection in PT
3. The SO now and in the past
4. The truth about the GO
5. Why prices are so high
6. Why people are declared
7. What happened to the past leaders of Scio?
8. The re-re-revision of tech
9 How does all that impact ME now in Scientology?

I'm sure there are many more possible headings!

The person I was speaking to said the inevitable "nothing you can say to me about Scientology would change my mind" (as if I would try) yet admitted to having "looked at a couple of sites"! I don't know which ones, but obviously they were not ones that presented a more conservative view that allowed them to get deeper into finding whatever made them look in the first place.

I "read" Messiah or Madman? in 1987 when it first came out. I remained a Scientologist for another 13 years.

[Div6]

Its a havingness process...its going to be different for each person. Some are drawn by the forbidden fruit, some by cognitive dissonance, others by curiosity....so trying to get "the gradient" and "the correct content" will be a crap shoot. Really, as Zinj mentioned, Google is the best starting place for most (over 700 US a share!) Rate the threads here as well....I see tons of lurkers who just show up to read......if they see a diverse crowd with a standard of tolerance and open communication, then it will give them something to compare to the overhyped fanaticism and closed mindedness of the cult box they have enclosed themselves into.

"I shouted out 'Who trapped Xenu', when after all, it was you and me..."

[Eamonn Gosney]

The sort of things I think people want to know straight up, simple headings, not necessarily in this order:

1. LRH's true background
2. Disconnection in PT
3. The SO now and in the past
4. The truth about the GO
5. Why prices are so high
6. Why people are declared
7. What happened to the past leaders of Scio?
8. The re-re-revision of tech
9 How does all that impact ME now in Scientology?

I am sorry to hear that you feel you have been wronged by the Church, and that you now must march the path of revenge.


Eamonn

[Zinjifar]

I am sorry to hear that you feel you have been wronged by the Church, and that you now must march the path of revenge.


Eamonn

It's not about 'upsets' you silly

It's about using what one has learned in life to improve it and reverse the 'Ever Dwindling Spiral'.

Opposing Scientology is social conscience.

Zinj

[Eamonn Gosney]

It's about using what one has learned in life to improve it and reverse the 'Ever Dwindling Spiral'.

The 'Ever Dwindling Spiral' is reversed by first brainwashing people so as to have a fresh slate.



Eamonn