Message to the FreeZone from Rey Robles

[elwood]

Jeez. Scientologists doing what they do best. Lying to each other and insulting the intelligence of everyone else.

[Dulloldfart]

As I recall from having met you around then, Paul, you were already quite 'squirrelly'. And no, I certainly don't mean that in a 'bad way'.


Mark A. Baker

Yes. I did tend to swing both ways. Although my 2004-6 FZ posts as archived are honest, in that they reflect my think at the time, just like my ESMB posts do.

When that person arrived in Reno for OT3, my think at the time was that he had paid (he didn't pay me) for straight OT3, or at least the FZ equivalent of it, so that is what I would give him. It might have got tricky if he had asked me for my opinions, but he didn't, so I just made sure he followed the regular procedures as that was what I was thoroughly trained and experienced in. The procedures exist somewhat independently of the silly theory, so it wasn't a big compromise of my integrity.

Paul

[Veda]

A quick search did not turn up the original OT levels, but this did come up - for those curious.

The 'Prometheus Reports' seems impressed by Filbert and his 'Excalibur Revisited' -"Geoffrey Filbert worked directly under L. Ron Hubbard in the 1960s and 1970s." The above dubious claim aside, for those who want a peek at the Clearing Course through OT 3 - albeit filtered through Filbert - here's a concise look. Scroll down about half way.: http://www.freezoneamerica.org/excal/excal03g.html

[Smilla]

This has re-awakened my desire for the Scientology implant.

[Veda]

This has re-awakened my desire for the Scientology implant.

On 8 March 1963, Hubbard wrote:

"An implant is an electronic means of overwhelming a thetan with a significance."

Was the e-meter soon to become the "electronic means" with which people, reading their super-hyped and significance-filled secret materials, and watching their meters "tell them," would be "implanted"?

Hubbard continued, "Use was made of the actual patterns of living to impress and entrap a thetan and force obedience to behavior patterns."

Was there just enough truth in the soon to presented confidential materials to "impress and trap"? And was the e-meter to be used - in the levels where people are not primarily asked, but primarily told, the contents of their own minds and spaces - as an "electronic means of overwhelming a thetan with a significance"?

Hubbard seems to have had a detailed master plan, and even described it in the (his title) 'Brainwashing Manual', and in other writings.

Recovering from the effects of that implemented plan, which included Hubbard becoming - in essence - the "Implanter," and sorting out the subject, so as to recover the best in the subject, and also tracing back the actual origins of the subject, is quite a task.

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Ron's Journal 68 definitely makes the greatest hits album

[Veda]

I'm not sure what the above video has to do with this thread, but I accept the responsibility for initially derailing it.

Anyway, the audio begins with a soft build up, and has a soft ending. In the middle is:

"...And the general attack line is along the line of human rights; yes human rights...

"Now I'll give you a clue on how this is handled, somebody comes up to you he's hostile - he's hostile to Scientology and he says to you and he says <inaudible> and you say why are you against human rights and uh and if you know anything about human rights like the universal declaration of human rights, United Nations - that sort of thing you know if you know something about this subject you just follow it right straight up - in other words you don't defend Scientology, you just attack along this line of human rights, you see...

"Tell him or her ...uh ...the hostile person the hostile press line uh...for instance a newspaper writes an article on how bad Scientology is - any Scientologist reading this should run right to that newspaper and demand: Why are you against human rights? Why are you in favor of Psychiatric death camps?

"Whereas an attack on Scientology is actually an attack on human rights - anyone making an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights...

"Each time Scientology is attacked, we build into society, if you do this, we'll build into society an actual stimulus response mechanism whereas an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights, and a person making such an attack is in favor of psychiatric death camps."

[Dulloldfart]

On 8 March 1963, Hubbard wrote:

"An implant is an electronic means of overwhelming a thetan with a significance."

Was the e-meter soon to become the "electronic means" with which people, reading their super-hyped and significance-filled secret materials, and watching their meters "tell them," would be "implanted"?

Hubbard continued, "Use was made of the actual patterns of living to impress and entrap a thetan and force obedience to behavior patterns."

<snip>

Recovering from the effects of that implemented plan, which included Hubbard becoming - in essence - the "Implanter," and sorting out the subject, so as to recover the best in the subject, and also tracing back the actual origins of the subject, is quite a task.

From memory, that "actual patterns of living" quote comes from the "main" eponymous GPM HCOB, and I always assumed it referred simply to the plus/minus RI's in Hubbard's description of GPMs.

As for recovering what's best in the subject, good luck with that! For me, I'm out of my depth with regard to GPMs. I agree that positives and negatives are tied together — that is trivial to observe in auditing, and is even the basis for my PaulsRobot Dipoles and NotTooShabbyPower modules (which work quite well) — but as for the intricacies of GPM structure with the "cross-over" etc, I haven't a clue how close to the truth Hubbard wrote, and I'm not at all interested in digging into it. It could be that the whole subject is pretty much invented, despite the research "confirmations" by others. How many people have "confirmed" Hubbard's bullshit in session? . (I'm guilty of it too.)

Paul

[Veda]

I've no desire to dive into the endless complexities of Hubbard's suddenly abandoned "actual GPM research."

While keeping it as simple as possible, I was attempting to briefly illustrate the idea that Hubbard used "enemy tactics" on his own followers.

To get back on topic, for what it's worth, now, we'll see if Rey Robles realizes that he should nix his embarrassing video on the bogus document, or whether there's a ground swell of excited support for the "final message from Ron."

Which, I guess, is not terribly interesting.

But it is a kind of ongoing bad comedy act.

[Dulloldfart]

To get back on topic, for what it's worth, now, we'll see if Rey Robles realizes that he should nix his embarrassing video on the bogus document, or whether there's a ground swell of excited support for the "final message from Ron."

It was posted here by one of his (presumed) supporters, looking at this thread this very moment (Hi Svetka!). He has 40 videos online, Lord preserve us. He also has a photocopy of this "LRH ED," and since it's in writing it must be true, right?

It's at http://freezoneworldwide.info/wp-con...1/05/RJ-38.pdf.

Paul