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    Default When you walk out the door, WALK OUT OF THE DOOR AND DON'T TURN BACK!

    Walk out of the door, bypass the Freezone and don't look back.

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    Default Re: When you walk out the door, WALK OUT OF THE DOOR AND DON'T TURN BACK!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vittorio View Post
    Walk out of the door, bypass the Freezone and don't look back.
    That is easier said than done (for many reasons, differing from person to person).
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

    "They must know how to kindle and fan an extravagant hope". - Eric Hoffer about the "true believer". "Total Freedom", "your eternity", and "OT" involve a few of the extravagant hopes in Scientology.

    Go HERE to view and/or download the essay, "The Three Basic Scientology Beliefs".

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    I take it you are a Freezoner Gadfly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vittorio View Post
    I take it you are a Freezoner Gadfly?
    Not at all. I have NEVER been affiliated with any Free Zone group or person. I have received no auditing or training since about 2000.

    I suppose I am a brutal libertarian. Let people do as they please, as long as they don't fuck with anybody else (especially in the name of some "cause").

    I do an occassional contact assist, as they ALWAYS "work" for me, and I know of no other "technique" anywhere that gets such wonderful results.

    I do from time to time a wonderful drill from a P.A.B. called "Ten Minutes of Nothingness" (it is sort of like meditating).

    I agree with and do my best to apply the issue, Personal Integrity written by Hubbard (though not followed by Hubbard and Church Scientologists).

    I still turn my lights off at night as recommended in some LRH admin policy. I still use crumpled newspaper to clean my windows. I still use a three-basket system.

    I grant the right of any person to use whatever he or she feels best, including any part of Hubbard's subject, as long as he or she does NOT harm, lie to, deceive or manipulate any other person. Of course THAT requirement negates a GREAT DEAL of Hubbard's "green policies" that are designed entirely and ONLY to forward and expand the "mission of Scientology to influence and take over the world". That also negates a good deal of "ethics" policies" and nearly ALL of the "justice" policies.

    I can see how various aspects of Hubbard's subject can and do have positive value for some people, and no amount of arguing, demanding or asserting can or will ever change that. Some might not like that - but such IDEAS will not change the facts of reality. That some decent and honest people, who also do NOT suffer from any imaginary "addiction", choose to freely use some aspect of Hubbard's subject to better ones own life (and the lives of others in their own best estimation). What things?

    Such things as R3R and assists that adddress and handle past traumas and upsets. Sensible uses of "study tech" when applied to REAL subjects and NOT to "mind control materials" such as KSW #1. I found the expanded grades to be wonderful, and I couldn't honestly tell anyone that they were other than wonderful in my own experiences.

    It seems to me that most Scientologists suffer from an "all-or-none" attitude while involved with the Church of Scientology, an attitude that is foisted upon them by exact indoctrination into Hubbard's paradigm, and when they get out here, as ex-Scientology members, some still carry along with them THAT dumb and sorry trait - making everything exist as some restrictive "all-or-none" proposition. So, in a similar way, some critics push it to an absurd extreme, just as did active members while involved with organized Scientology.

    But also, in case you aren't familiar with my past posts (which you seem not to be since you asked me if I was a "freezoner"), I have the firm view, based on a great deal of personal experience, that the entire STRUCTURE of the Scientology organization, based on EXACT LRH policies and directives, is entirely TOXIC. It involves severe indoctrination into very absolutist attitudes that are NOT healthy for ANY person to accept and believe. The Church organization, in ANY form, as long as it follows Hubbard's writings and talks, will always be insane.

    While not entirely true, but as a close approximation, I would say that one could take away and remove ALL "green volume" subject materials and flush them right down the toilet, and keep and use some of the "red volume" subject materials, and that such a setup would be largely innocuous for most of the people most of the time.

    I don't do that really, in that I have myself flushed almost ALL of it down the toilet, including the "red volume" stuff, but I can see how some of it can be useful to some, and I can even find some "good stuff" strewn through both the "red and green volumes".

    Simply, the "mission aspect" of Scientology is what renders it so severe, so very nasty and so uncompromising. Some don't think that can be removed. I don't see it being that difficult. And, as it seems to me, some in the Free Zone manage it just fine. That comment does NOT include the Marty brigade, as he still appears to me to still hold onto FAR TOO MUCH OF the KSW "we-are-salvaging-this-sector" stupidity.
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    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

    "They must know how to kindle and fan an extravagant hope". - Eric Hoffer about the "true believer". "Total Freedom", "your eternity", and "OT" involve a few of the extravagant hopes in Scientology.

    Go HERE to view and/or download the essay, "The Three Basic Scientology Beliefs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadfly View Post

    I would say that one could take away and remove ALL "green volume" subject materials and flush them right down the toilet,

    I don't do that really, in that I have myself flushed almost ALL of it down the toilet, including the "red volume" stuff,
    When you flushed them down the toilet , i hope you first made them brown on white Gadfly.Thats what id call 'corrected' tech.

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    When you flushed them down the toilet , i hope you first made them brown on white Gadfly.Thats what id call 'corrected' tech.
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

    "They must know how to kindle and fan an extravagant hope". - Eric Hoffer about the "true believer". "Total Freedom", "your eternity", and "OT" involve a few of the extravagant hopes in Scientology.

    Go HERE to view and/or download the essay, "The Three Basic Scientology Beliefs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vittorio View Post
    Walk out of the door, bypass the Freezone and don't look back.
    I think it's up to the person. And everyone has their own journey.
    I am truly into myself, yes. And I'm just as interested in other people. When I'm not thinking of one, I'm thinking of the other.

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    It would be very interesting to actually see the difference , running a company that threw out the policy green on white vols aND just ran the lower bridge grades without all CoS policy bullshit.

    Without emergecy, fear, must do , must have, must be, must clap,must salute and at a reasonable cost of what ever you can afford per an hour, even giving credit.

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    Default Re: When you walk out the door, WALK OUT OF THE DOOR AND DON'T TURN BACK!

    And maybe it is part of Vittorio's journey to state this.



    Quote Originally Posted by Vittorio View Post
    Walk out of the door, bypass the Freezone and don't look back.
    A human statue made of living stone / A paradox etched in human bone / If you could see behind his thin disguise /There`s a hidden glint of madness in his eyes. / Many men are fooled by his smile / His superficial grace his charm his style / Sardonicus is everybody`s friend /Sardonicus keeps smiling to the end.

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    If someone leaves the Church of Scientology, I would attribute that to their honesty and integrity.

    It seems that if they continued that very same honesty & integrity they would eventually leave Indie Scientology too.

    I can't imagine how that would be unavoidable.
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