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    Maybe I'm preaching to the choir but this is the best write-up regarding management and church members' viewpoints I've read so far:

    http://www.scientology-cult.com/why-...eep-lying.html
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    Unfortunately, the article doesn't answer the question. Why do church members keep lying?

    Yes there are horrible, ongoing abuses -- but why do all church members keep lying? That would be a good article, but I don't think it will ever be written by that crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Unfortunately, the article doesn't answer the question. Why do church members keep lying?

    Yes there are horrible, ongoing abuses -- but why do all church members keep lying? That would be a good article, but I don't think it will ever be written by that crowd.

    Did you read the whole write-up? It does answer that question further down.
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    Default Re: Why Church Members Keep Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by smartone View Post
    Maybe I'm preaching to the choir but this is the best write-up regarding management and church members' viewpoints I've read so far:

    http://www.scientology-cult.com/why-...eep-lying.html
    That is quite a write-up. It wore me out just reading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartone View Post
    Maybe I'm preaching to the choir but this is the best write-up regarding management and church members' viewpoints I've read so far:

    http://www.scientology-cult.com/why-...eep-lying.html
    Interesting article, especially the part describing how Miscavige treats his staff. I wish I could meet him face-to-face. I am 6'6" and athletic (I practice Yoga).

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    I gotta say, this article really pissed me off. Not the person who wrote it so much as those in the Independant field who believe in this technology so much but don't have their Code of Honor, Personal Integrity, and courage that the tech tells them they must apply to keep Scientology Working.

    I'd just as soon see the whole of Scientology disappear from the earth.

    But those like Marty and Mike especially going on and on about the glory of LRH and the tech nad they won't stand up to the SP Dave.

    They won't put their own integrity above their own life.

    They don't have the Courage to take what they know and use it to bring the madness to an end.

    Instead they play childish games and pretend to be so believing in the tech but they least apply it.

    Instead they make jokes and play Spy vs Spy and all manner of foolishness while hundreds of people are being treated as less than salves.

    They have no integrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartone View Post
    Did you read the whole write-up? It does answer that question further down.
    Still don't get it. I understand his justification for Int. Base people not speaking up, I understand DM is full of threats, but I don't see him answering the question, "Why do church members keep lying?"

    They lie about their Stress Tests and their Personality Tests. They lie about their intentions. They lie about their results. They lie about their "expansion". They lie about most things and I don't see that being answered -- Why?

    Keeping silent and not reporting the horrible abuses may be considered lying, but why all the other lies? Why do church members outside of Int. Base keep lying?

    I think it's worthy of an exposé.

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    Default Re: Why Church Members Keep Lying

    It begins with accepting lies as truth, it progresses to lying to yourself, it culminates in lying to others. Simple, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulduz View Post
    Interesting article, especially the part describing how Miscavige treats his staff. I wish I could meet him face-to-face. I am 6'6" and athletic (I practice Yoga).
    You'd have to be careful; he could probably punch the hell out of your kneecaps.

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    Hubbard even fooled himself: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...691#post618691

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    Default Re: Why Church Members Keep Lying

    arent Scns just lying to comply with Rons legacy to to save the universe,

    and Ron en-thrusted prodigal son Dave to take The Helm of spiritual salvation in this sector, and you cant be critical of Rons judgement after he mapped out xenus disastrous evil.

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